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Pole Position

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If we dont assume the number one spot in the championship tomorrow night we probably never will.....with cardiff away at stoke we must surely go top(i hope)
However when was the last time we were top of the division immediately below the top division
Were we ever top during the 1963/64 season or are we going back long before that???
 
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I read at the weekend it will be something like 56 years which will presumably be the season we last returned to the top flight.
 
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yoga said:
If we dont assume the number one spot in the championship tomorrow night we probably never will.....with cardiff away at stoke we must surely go top(i hope)
However when was the last time we were top of the division immediately below the top division
Were we ever top during the 1963/64 season or are we going back long before that???

Other than the odd time very early in the season when perhaps we won the first game or two (hasn't happened very often anyway) it is not since 1950/51 that PNE have sat at the top of the table in this division.

Mind you, as nice as that would be, the ultimate goal surely has to be that we are in the TOP TWO come the end of the season. I would be happy if North End and any other club could break away from the rest, even if we stayed in second spot all season long.

But on the other hand, there is something to be said for PNE to become Champions of the Football League for the first time since 1890. Whilst I realise this division is still only the second tier, are the winners classified as Football League champions, or is that title now defunct?
 
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Albertan said:
But on the other hand, there is something to be said for PNE to become Champions of the Football League for the first time since 1890. Whilst I realise this division is still only the second tier, are the winners classified as Football League champions, or is that title now defunct?

There's a hint in the division's title: 'The Football League Championship'...😉
 
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dannypne7 said:
There's a hint in the division's title: 'The Football League Championship'...😉

Yes I realise that danny, but my question really is could PNE claim it genuinely as the third time they have become champions of the football league? Taking into account that the top 20 clubs of the day now play in a 'breakaway' division now known as the Premiership which as far as I know is not part of the Football League.

Maybe we will be the Football League Champions, but I guess it will have to have an asterisk at the side of it indicating that it is somewhat of a diluted title as compared to championships won before the introduction of the Premier League.
 
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Albertan said:
Yes I realise that danny, but my question really is could PNE claim it genuinely as the third time they have become champions of the football league? Taking into account that the top 20 clubs of the day now play in a 'breakaway' division now known as the Premiership which as far as I know is not part of the Football League.

Maybe we will be the Football League Champions, but I guess it will have to have an asterisk at the side of it indicating that it is somewhat of a diluted title as compared to championships won before the introduction of the Premier League.
The Premiership is NOT part of the Football League but is governed by it's own commitee and rules under the guidance of the FA who can only impose sanctions as instructed by higher authority. Therefore the winner of the Championship are the FL Champions (with an asterisk)

ps - I thought the title meant the thread was about the BSK sponsors
 
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Our regular "failures" to make the last step, through playoffs or by making the top two, are legendary.

I beleive it is inherent within the club to not "expect" anything better. The fans need to put more pressure on the club as a whole, the players, the management and the Directors, to capitalise on the opportunities that come our way.

Second best is not "success" any more. Three failed playoff attempts in the apst 6 years is reason enough to expect us to make the final step - maybe too many are prepared to make the excuse for another "failure"?

After 46 years, we have a RIGHT to expect our club to do what many, many other (sometimes smaller) clubs HAVE done in that time and gain promotion to the top flight. But we always seem to blow it at the last, shrug our shoulders and say "next season". Maybe THAT is why the doubters don't flock back to Deepdale?

"Pole Position" it is - the quality players usually win from that position. Now me must do exactly that and not blow the chance, as we did on Saturday. Far from the fans turning up and just expecting a win, it was the players who showed just that attitude - they must do better.
 
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Whiter than White said:
Our regular "failures" to make the last step, through playoffs or by making the top two, are legendary.

I beleive it is inherent within the club to not "expect" anything better. The fans need to put more pressure on the club as a whole, the players, the management and the Directors, to capitalise on the opportunities that come our way.

Second best is not "success" any more. Three failed playoff attempts in the apst 6 years is reason enough to expect us to make the final step - maybe too many are prepared to make the excuse for another "failure"?

After 46 years, we have a RIGHT to expect our club to do what many, many other (sometimes smaller) clubs HAVE done in that time and gain promotion to the top flight. But we always seem to blow it at the last, shrug our shoulders and say "next season". Maybe THAT is why the doubters don't flock back to Deepdale?

"Pole Position" it is - the quality players usually win from that position. Now me must do exactly that and not blow the chance, as we did on Saturday. Far from the fans turning up and just expecting a win, it was the players who showed just that attitude - they must do better.

Yes Whiter, there are several examples of other 'similar sized' clubs who hung around the play off positions for several seasons before striking it rich as it were, and reaching the prem...........Charlton, Ipswich, Bolton for examples.

I get the impression that this season, this particular team/squad, and this particular manager & chairman/board will not "blow it at the last" to use your phrase.

Some clubs are buckling under the pressure already, and by those I am referring to the likes of Cardiff (11 pts from their last 8 games), Burnley (10 from the last 8), WBA (10 from the last 8), whereas PNE have 17, Brum 19 and Derby also 19,.........those numbers are from memory so may not be 100% accurate but you get my point hopefully.

If this trend continues I can see a breakaway group of three, (possibly four) teams fighting it out for the golden two automatic promotion places, PNE, Brum, Derby, with possibly Southampton/Stoke in with an outside chance.

When clubs such as PNE and Brum are going as well as they are, it is very very difficult for the teams below them to make an impression on the lead held by the top clubs. For example, last season when North End's long, long unbeaten run was finally ended at Reading, (was it 22 league games?), believe it or not, we were further behind the likes of Sheff Utd (in terms of points) than we were before the unbeaten run started...........😱 .

If we can 'just' keep up our almost 2 points per game average, we will be playing in the premiership next season. We did it for the first 18 games, and if we beat Coventry tomorrow, we will have 40 pts from 20 games, and for my money, it will be very difficult for TWO TEAMS to generate more points than us if we reproduce in the last 26 games, what has been achieved in the first 20.
 
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Strange how, after a couple of games, the "breakaway" of three clubs is now a bunch of 7/8 teams all within 5 points of each other. Indeed, a defeat, or even a draw, on Saturday at Luton, could see us fall to FOURTH.

The last 2 games were a missed opportunity to put ourselves 5 points clear of 2nd place. We must make more of our opportunities if we are to REALLY succeed.
 
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currently we have the best chance of promotion out of everyone its only ours to throw away 🙂
 
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and in the second half of the season we play most of the top teams at home, and our away fixtures are generally against teams in the bottom half.
 
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