How many other games are there in the football world where it's a local derby for one team but not the other? Really is a strange quirk this one.
Preston Carlisle Rivalry
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Well, imagine a line of finite length with at one end Point A (Carlisle) and the other end Point D (somewhere else) with Point B (Preston) being equi-distant from Points A and D. Point C (say, Blackpool) is equi-distant from Points B and D and you have the reason why.
Our real rivals though are Workington Reds but they, like the town, are firmly in the 1950's so that doesn't really exist anymore. Newcastle is only 56 miles from Carlisle but they are out-performing their usual levels of mediocrity and of course there is Gretna (bust), Annan Athletic or Queen of the South (Dumfries) but there are sovereignty issues to contend with which we won't compromise on out of respect for the Duke (Butcher) of Cumberland's bloody sacrifices against the beskirted heathens north of what should be a Korean-style border.
I can remember that when I first started watching matches back in the 60s that games against Carlisle had a bit of an edge - obviously not as much from a PNE point-of-view as matches against the likes of the team who play in in blue-and-white halved shirts in a ground by the River Darwen or the one with tangerine shirts and a ground on the Fylde Coast, but an edge all the same. Yet no such feelings existed for matches against teams as far away to the south. Some of the matches have been quite memorable. When back in the 60s we won the first ten of our home matches in succession one season (and needless to say got, as I remember, only one win and one draw in our away fixtures - see this side has always been like that) it was Carlisle who ended the sequence with a 3:2 (perhaps 3:1) win at our place. But before that we had met Carlisle in the 5th Round of the FA Cup in the famous run to Wembley in 64. We won 1:0 - a rare Alan Spavin goal - but curiously Carlisle in that game had a shot that hit one post and the other before coming back out again, just as Doyle's effort did yesterday. Funny how these things tend to even up over time.
The fact that you took 6000 to Deepdale proves we are your cup final, you live to play PNE.
Its embarrasing if you ask me, its like the Carlidl fans yesterday, they only come to see PNE.
My bubble is fine thanks
I simply asked my man to use the AA to measure the distance from the East wing ?
Please note that either way Carlisle is in the back of beyond for a reason
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That's the problem with Alcoholics Anonymous: measuring distance. Anyway, unless you fly your own aircraft, your numbers were wrong. Since the recession began, I stopped using mine.
Carlisle has been on the frontline protecting the English from heathen, bearded gingermen in skirts across the frontier, so we have a good reason to be there and should be credited with preserving your Lancastrian lifestyle. Much more gallant than cowering behind the mountains on the wrong side away from the frontline.
That William Rufus has a lot to answer for: By the time of the Norman Conquest of England in 1066, Carlisle was part of Scotland and did not feature in the Domesday Book of 1086. This changed in 1092 when William the Conqueror's son William Rufus invaded Cumberland and reincorporated it into England.
Count yourself lucky, I would if I were you...
Count yourself lucky, I would if I were you...
Good retort
I bow to your wisdom and your strength in keeping the shortbread deep fried pizza eating tartan army from defending upon us in their droves
The Lear has been in mothballs for some months as I have returned to the use of the sedan chair
I bow to your wisdom and your strength in keeping the shortbread deep fried pizza eating tartan army from defending upon us in their droves
The Lear has been in mothballs for some months as I have returned to the use of the sedan chair
This is an interesting read too:
The Romans eventually left Britain shortly after 400 AD. The Wall and its forts were abandoned and fell into ruin, and Cumbria became part of the Celtic Kingdom of Strathclyde.
In turn this separated into the smaller Celtic Kingdom of Rheged (the name means 'Given Land') so that the division possibly occurred between a father King of Strathclyde and his son.
In time, and probably during this period, the name Luguvalium was shortened to Leul and the Celtic prefix 'Caer' (meaning castle or fort) was added to give the name Caerluel and finally Carlisle.
From the departure of the Romans onwards Cumbria and the neighbouring county of Northumberland were fought over by various local tribes and invaders, successively Celtic, Anglo-Saxon, Danish and most latterly Norse(Viking).
The Danes in particular destroyed Carlisle, killing all its inhabitants. For 200 years thereafter the settlement remained largely depopulated: trees grew over the site, and it lost its identity as a place of any importance.
With the coming of the Northmen, who landed first probably at St.Bees (a village on the west coast), a century of stability began. It ended when the Norse King Dunmail was defeated in 945 by the Saxon King Edmund. From then until 1070 Carlisle and Cumbria were ruled by the Kings of Scotland.
Defenders, you say....
The Romans eventually left Britain shortly after 400 AD. The Wall and its forts were abandoned and fell into ruin, and Cumbria became part of the Celtic Kingdom of Strathclyde.
In turn this separated into the smaller Celtic Kingdom of Rheged (the name means 'Given Land') so that the division possibly occurred between a father King of Strathclyde and his son.
In time, and probably during this period, the name Luguvalium was shortened to Leul and the Celtic prefix 'Caer' (meaning castle or fort) was added to give the name Caerluel and finally Carlisle.
From the departure of the Romans onwards Cumbria and the neighbouring county of Northumberland were fought over by various local tribes and invaders, successively Celtic, Anglo-Saxon, Danish and most latterly Norse(Viking).
The Danes in particular destroyed Carlisle, killing all its inhabitants. For 200 years thereafter the settlement remained largely depopulated: trees grew over the site, and it lost its identity as a place of any importance.
With the coming of the Northmen, who landed first probably at St.Bees (a village on the west coast), a century of stability began. It ended when the Norse King Dunmail was defeated in 945 by the Saxon King Edmund. From then until 1070 Carlisle and Cumbria were ruled by the Kings of Scotland.
Defenders, you say....
Very interesting WFG but it doesn't say if there's a spud U like there ?
I know.
But Luguvalium seems a wee confused on his origins? He may have ginger hair too.
But Luguvalium seems a wee confused on his origins? He may have ginger hair too.
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There`s always an excuse for you lot isn`t there? If we bring 6,000 it`s cos "it`s your Cup Final". If we had taken 1600 it`s because "your away support is shyte" 🙄
I can remember posting on here over 5 years ago,(and before we first got promoted to the Championship),that if we played you again you should give us the Shankly cos we would fill it. I was laughed at and told that even on a good day we would struggle to bring more than 2,500. They were the more liberal estimates as most estimated lower than that. Bet you all feel pretty foolish now about that. Personally I felt pretty smug about it,when we finally did play again, seeing that sea of Tangerine behind the goal. How it must hurt seeing thousands of opposition fans behind one goal at your ground and being outsung. Of course we would never allow that at BR these days.Oppo fans are stuck on the side where they are less visible and less likely to intimidate the team,or influence the game.It`s basic psychology really...you should try it sometime.
After one invasion are you ready for the next one so soon? Wednesday bringing 6k aren`t they. Ouch!!!..🙂
Go away, & stop spamming a decent thread.
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Guinness was baiting me,so he got both barrels.🙂
Anyway I know nowt about Carlisle`s Viking/Roman ginger heads.I`m a pure bred Lancastrian with a typical anglo-saxon head shape and a celtic nose...at least according to an ex workmate of mine who was heavily into viking battle re-enactments and prides himself on telling the origins of a person by their facial profile!
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Good and accurate stuff that squire. I meant we have been defenders of England...er...latterly.
If any of you travel between Keswick and Grasmere on the A591 you will note that the two opposing lanes part briefly and in the middle is a pile of rocks. That is reputed to be Dunmail's final resting place, apparently and there were superstitions surrounding building a road over it. Or there was a union-imposed work to rule and no one was prepared to move them.
There used to be a Spud-U-Like but Carlisle's international outlook on the world means that tastes have developed somewhat.
I stopped off in Carlisle on my way to Glasgow last year & grabbed a quick drink in the pub on the right-hand side when you come out of the train station.
I wouldn't want to dine there, though - very scruffy.
I wouldn't want to dine there, though - very scruffy.
Maybe that's why they call it Dunmail Raise ! We claim Dunmail as his burial cairn is in Westmorland which is indisputably in England.. unlike Carlisle which is not sure where it belongs.
Enjoy the game ? Any thoughts on PNE ?
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