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Confirmed Retained List

Confirmed Retained List

Sid Snot said:
Close enough.
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He had been at the Liverpool Academy from the age of 7. They're his boyhood team. I genuinely believe that if the club had been a different PL side like Newcastle, Lowe wouldn't have entertained signing him.

As for giving Woodburn brief sub appearances so that he has a contract extension automatically, it absolutely stinks. Especially as he is woeful at this level.

Dumb and Dumber strike again!
 
The retained list dropped as I was looking at 2 very similar articles that came out today - one a Lancs.Live interview with Potts, the other an LEP interview with McCann, but it could've been any player, it's not about the players, but about a particular attitude, which comes across in both articles.

And it illustrates a contradiction that runs through the club, like the retained list itself, between "I don't think we were good enough" on the one hand, and "we've got the quality in the group" on the other.

So we get (from Potts - but again, it's not about the particular player):

"We need to be better to get into the play-offs", but also "you wouldn't say Luton, Coventry or even Millwall are 'better' teams than us".​
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"It's about getting the right characters and the right players, to help us improve", but also "you have got to get the right players and characters in and over the last couple of seasons I think we have done that".​
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"If you look back over the course of the season, maybe the start - where we struggled to score goals - is where we've lost out on the points", but also "it is about getting on a run and picking up a point if you can't get all three".​
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"[We're] not settling for being a mid-table Champ team or finishing 12th like we have in the past", but also (from McCann) "we just know that throughout the squad we have the quality that is needed".​

Fact is, the teams in the Championship play-offs are miles away from what we are, in terms of pace, power, technique, teamwork, general quality of play - the lot.

We're getting nowhere near them if we're patting ourselves on the back every summer after another mid-table finish, with the same old mid-table players expecting just to "go again" next season, largely unchanged, because "the quality we need" was already here all along - lucky for us, since there's no money to add any more.

It's just a recipe for complete stagnation, and it runs right the way through the club.
 
Lots of inexperienced youth in the squad we’ve the same problem we had with the keepers last summer with the forwards this summer hopefully 🤞🏻 we see some decent incomings
 
Thracia said:
The retained list dropped as I was looking at 2 very similar articles that came out today - one a Lancs.Live interview with Potts, the other an LEP interview with McCann, but it could've been any player, it's not about the players, but about a particular attitude, which comes across in both articles.

And it illustrates a contradiction that runs through the club, like the retained list itself, between "I don't think we were good enough" on the one hand, and "we've got the quality in the group" on the other.

So we get (from Potts - but again, it's not about the particular player):

"We need to be better to get into the play-offs", but also "you wouldn't say Luton, Coventry or even Millwall are 'better' teams than us".​
​
"It's about getting the right characters and the right players, to help us improve", but also "you have got to get the right players and characters in and over the last couple of seasons I think we have done that".​
​
"If you look back over the course of the season, maybe the start - where we struggled to score goals - is where we've lost out on the points", but also "it is about getting on a run and picking up a point if you can't get all three".​
​
"[We're] not settling for being a mid-table Champ team or finishing 12th like we have in the past", but also (from McCann) "we just know that throughout the squad we have the quality that is needed".​

Fact is, the teams in the Championship play-offs are miles away from what we are, in terms of pace, power, technique, teamwork, general quality of play - the lot.

We're getting nowhere near them if we're patting ourselves on the back every summer after another mid-table finish, with the same old mid-table players expecting just to "go again" next season, largely unchanged, because "the quality we need" was already here all along - lucky for us, since there's no money to add any more.

It's just a recipe for complete stagnation, and it runs right the way through the club.
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Think there's going to be more teams that have that over us this season.

Especially with Plymouth, Ipswich, Southampton and possible Everton Leicester or Leeds joining us from their respective leagues.
 
The missus car conked out the other day and I lent her my season ticket money to have the fried clutch fixed. Looking at that retained list, I won't be chasing her for the cash. Doesn't mean I've given up on the club, far from it. But I'm not committing a few hundred quid, when all the signals from PNE seem to be saying, 'miserable relegation season'.
 
Rodney Bewes said:
If I'm being kind, this just feels like sheer incompetence from Lowe to me. Subbing him on without thinking at all about the consequences. He'd probably forgotten about the extension clause or at least pushed it so far from his mind he didn't even think about it when making his team selections or substitutions
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I can only think our manager wanted him to keep him, hence the constant short substitute appearances ensuring he had no choice but to stay. Appalling whatever the circumstances.
 
wld said:
I can only think our manager wanted him to keep him, hence the constant short substitute appearances ensuring he had no choice but to stay. Appalling whatever the circumstances.
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Could he not have left if he wasn't happy with the contract offered, or wanted guaranteed first team football? Or was he effectively tied down to another year due to appearances?
 
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