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A good attitude to take in life.
Its so unfair that the many are so often made to suffer because of the actions of the few, dont you agree 😉
Riddler statement.
Its so unfair that the many are so often made to suffer because of the actions of the few, dont you agree 😉
No real problem with agents being in the game they do help a lot of players out.
What I do have a problem with is clubs paying agents. If the player wants an agent the player should pay for them out of their own pocket.
What I do have a problem with is clubs paying agents. If the player wants an agent the player should pay for them out of their own pocket.
It's not all about the player wanting an agent though. Agents facilitate moves not just for the player but for the club as well.
Bear in mind that when players start to get to grips with O levels and joined up writing then the agents days are numbered
Fair point
Exactly, they should be the same as theatrical agents, paid by their clients.
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Agents find players for clubs and clubs for players. No issue with that in principal.
The problem is agents taking advantage of the desperate and/or stupid, both players and clubs.
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Club has been reading the forum
www.pnefc.net
And i agree with him here. While the development structure is what it is no point in having an U23 team
Club Update: Youth Development
On Friday 7th August 2020 we published an update regarding some of the key issues facing the club.
www.pnefc.net
And i agree with him here. While the development structure is what it is no point in having an U23 team
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Club has been reading the forum
Club Update: Youth Development
On Friday 7th August 2020 we published an update regarding some of the key issues facing the club.
And i agree with him here. While the development structure is what it is no point in having an U23 team
I don't know enough about this in general to comment properly but I do struggle to see the benefit in U23 football, full stop. 21-22 year olds in most sports should be showing they've got what it takes to go on to have long term careers. If they aren't doing it by then the chances are they never will.
Club has been reading the forum
Club Update: Youth Development
On Friday 7th August 2020 we published an update regarding some of the key issues facing the club.
And i agree with him here. While the development structure is what it is no point in having an U23 team
I agree with some of the things said but the problem with the Ben Davies example is that being farmed out on loan after loan after loan from 18 years of age until your Championship standard won't work for that many players.
It did eventually for Davies, but it's such a rarity.
If they view stepping up a category as too much of an expense then fine, at least they're being honest. But there is obviously no clear pathway from the youth set-up into our first team.
That said our ultimate problem will probably always be that there isn't a great deal of quality within our youth set-up, because all the big local Prem teams can hoover up all the talent at a very young age.
And the tweets that appeared...
"The emotion that is generated by those who sadly move on is understandable but sometimes it has to be put into the big picture to appreciate the context.
Peter Ridsdale
Owner's Representative"
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Fair play to Peter Ridsdale and the team behind this for speaking out.Club has been reading the forum
Club Update: Youth Development
On Friday 7th August 2020 we published an update regarding some of the key issues facing the club.
And i agree with him here. While the development structure is what it is no point in having an U23 team
Feel much more assured in the club with more information like this.
Regarding my other posts earlier on in the year, giving my opinion on Hemmings and how I felt we required more information and potential finances, concurring the “is it time for Hemmings to finally go?”
This statement was to only create a forum debate on the subject on what the club could do better in higher places, in which I believe with statements like these we are moving in the correct manner.
I mentioned this the other day and a return to the old reserve format where there is a mix of youth and fringe players benefits both the first team squad and youth development.
It keeps your fringe players fit and exposes the youth players to mens football (and sometimes top quality players returning from injury) in a forgiving environment.
It also allows the coaching staff to see how likely they are to integrate into the men's game.
I'm happy with it and said as much after the first update. It allows for healthy debate but based on real information rather than speculation. It is also something we have been crying out for as fans.
PR needs huge credit for taking this step.
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The reasonings for not introducing a U23 squad are fair.
There isn't a real way for youth players to get through - lads aren't even getting loans which was addressed but have we not considered sending them to Ireland? That might work out.
This has done nothing overall to suggest that any of the graduates are going to get chances, and the youth team lads may as well look for new clubs now.
There isn't a real way for youth players to get through - lads aren't even getting loans which was addressed but have we not considered sending them to Ireland? That might work out.
This has done nothing overall to suggest that any of the graduates are going to get chances, and the youth team lads may as well look for new clubs now.
but thats far too simplistic
Bolton were cat 2, had a strongish U23's coached by former players such as David Lee and Jimmy Phillips, but the 1st team management didnt rate their older lads and so rarely selected them - so a number chose to go to USA rather than take a new contract....
It all changed when BWFC couldnbt put a team out and the U23's and 18's had to play - but now all those bar 1 are no longer in the squad.
Finding other clubs where a 19 yo would get a chance to progress to the 1st team is a lottery too....
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I said elsewhere that there's probably an average of 1-2 players per club per academy year that go on to a long term successful career (approx 15 years worth of first team pros per club so you need about 1-2 from each club to go through to feed the machine from the bottom, as it were).
Consider that the big clubs are getting most of the best talent, add the foreign influence and the chances are that most cat 3 and below clubs are going to do well to get 1 every 2 or 3 years through.
There's a big expense to these clubs for a far from guaranteed return so with that in mind I fully understand the way the club is handling it.
Basically there's only so many full time pros required in the game and most of them are going to come from the big clubs.
Look at where *relatively* unheralded players such as Welsh and Rafferty (Liverpool), Huntington (Newcastle) and Harrop (Man Utd) started.