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Riddler statement.

Riddler statement.

tcinders said:
"Please can we have one more striker is wearing a bit thin now, lots of clubs have invested in £5 million strikers and big loan wages. Why would we suddenly turn into a top 2 team?. As much as we all want the Premier league there is no magic bullet.
I think Paddy and the Hemmings out minority has now been blown out of the water. I think we all know we are fortunate to have Hemmings financial backing.
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Surely it’s a case of identifying the weak area of the squad and addressing it. We were a striker short and we failed to bring one in despite us clearly being in the market for one having failed with Moore, Armstrong and Campbell.

We could sign a desired striker and still come up short, that would then be on Neil. Let’s at least meet him halfway and sign his targets? Signing Kieffer Moore from Barnsley was hardly signing going out and taking Watkins from Brentford or Mitrovic from Fulham. It was a reasonably low risk target that would have improved the side.
 
raefil said:
Ive supported and paid into this club for over 55 years. I can honestly say i have never thought of my contributions in any way other than paying an admission price to watch something I enjoy.

When i bought shares that was a different matter, that was to support the club financially in the hope theyd progress.
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I am not too different myself but the point I continue to make which euro seems to disregard is that supporters financial contribution to a football club is equally as important as the owners.
 
europne said:
Previous contributions in finance and assistance are very commendable but of no use going forwards, we are looking at the future to survive, this club has lived on history long enough.
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I'd take this kind of comment a lot more seriously if we weren't constantly reminded about the £100m TH has supposedly put into the club, and if we could all agree that TH should expect to "get back" nothing like that amount in any future sale of the club.

5p in the £ being the relevant precedent for club valuation.
 
tcinders said:
"Please can we have one more striker is wearing a bit thin now, lots of clubs have invested in £5 million strikers and big loan wages. Why would we suddenly turn into a top 2 team?. As much as we all want the Premier league there is no magic bullet.
I think Paddy and the Hemmings out minority has now been blown out of the water. I think we all know we are fortunate to have Hemmings financial backing.
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Nobody has been asking for a £5m striker. Nobody has expected us to suddenly be a top 2 team. Nobody expects a "magic bullet" to the Premier League. This sort of nonsense is the usual tactic of exaggerting other posters views to make them look unrealistic and unreasonable.

I think the concern stems from the fact that 6 months after we'd sold Hugill for £9.5m, we couldn't match Barnsley initial £1.5m asking price for Kieffer Moore, we ended up with Stockley another 6 months later for 750k. When we sold Callum Robinson for £7m, the best we could muster up was Andre Green on loan.

Nobody asking for huge investment into the team, just a reasonable amount of the money brought in via sales to be put back into the squad and be given to the management team to help improve the team, given it is the football management team that improve these players and make them big assets in a financial sense.

Moderate reinvestment is what is being asked for, not £5m strikers and huge wages to be spent.

If the club are more than happy to exploit the inflated market in terms of getting big money for Hugill and Robinson from West Ham and Sheffield United, then they can't expect to re-enter the market and replace them for tuppence. Otherwise the quality of the squad slowly declines, which is what we have seen above the past 2 years.
 
tcinders said:
"Please can we have one more striker is wearing a bit thin now, lots of clubs have invested in £5 million strikers and big loan wages. Why would we suddenly turn into a top 2 team?. As much as we all want the Premier league there is no magic bullet.
I think Paddy and the Hemmings out minority has now been blown out of the water. I think we all know we are fortunate to have Hemmings financial backing.
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Based on what exactly? Some mythical idea that the rest of you have that Hemmings is some kind of Christ figure and that there are literally no other people in the entire world that would want to take over North End?

We had fewer than 10 goals from the number 9 position all year.

If you are happy with that then fine but I'm not going to apologise for finding it a disgraceful, dereliction of duty that the owner has forced us to be in a situation where we have the weakest strike force that I have experienced in all the time I have supported North End and yet we have a manager and core of a team that is capable of taking us up automatically and realistically we could have been in the play offs 3 seasons running with the correct reinvestment
 
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tcinders said:
"Please can we have one more striker is wearing a bit thin now, lots of clubs have invested in £5 million strikers and big loan wages. Why would we suddenly turn into a top 2 team?. As much as we all want the Premier league there is no magic bullet.
I think Paddy and the Hemmings out minority has now been blown out of the water. I think we all know we are fortunate to have Hemmings financial backing.
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I think that you will find that as Hemmings owns PNE 100% he needs our financial backing to keep his business afloat, so I think that next time someone tells a loyal supporter who has every right voice his opinion if he feels he is not getting good value for his hard earned, to fuck off and support Blackpool, they should ask Hemmings if he thinks it’s a good idea.
I can’t believe the shit that people get just for having the temerity to ask the club to “try” to get shut of the four under achieving strikers and replace them with two of a better standard, he may even come out on top in the long run.
 
sedgwick__7 said:
Moderate reinvestment is what is being asked for, not £5m strikers and huge wages to be spent.
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It would take 5m realistically. I don't know if the 1.5m for Moore is true, if it is clubs have become wise to what they can get and these 1.5 or even 3m strikers proven capable of scoring in the Championship are very rare or non existent - then wages also become a challenge. Yes you can take a 2m punt on a L1 or foreign striker but it's a throw of the dice.
 
Walton said:
I think that you will find that as Hemmings owns PNE 100% he needs our financial backing to keep his business afloat, so I think that next time someone tells a loyal supporter who has every right voice his opinion if he feels he is not getting good value for his hard earned, to fuck off and support Blackpool, they should ask Hemmings if he thinks it’s a good idea.
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The way we're going, Fleetwood looks like an attractive option. Progressive, ambitious and win games.

It'll take a lot to test a fan's loyalty but with up and coming teams in the area as well as a myriad of successful teams around us we are among the poorest in a large group of teams to pick for new or disillusioned football fans.

No matter how many times I have to post it, it doesn't resonate with some people. The financial impact from Hemmings' failures will be disastrous, and he'll be the one footing an even larger bill.
 
pnenycx said:
Yes you can take a 2m punt on a L1 or foreign striker but it's a throw of the dice.
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If they're properly scouted the risk is largely averted as their quality will be known.

Sadly on a few occasions we've targeted a player, tried for a few years then got them when they're clearly not good enough anymore.
 
pnenycx said:
Yes you can take a 2m punt on a L1 or foreign striker but it's a throw of the dice.
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There's an element of risk to any transfer that ever takes place. It's not a reason to not do anything as we have for 12 months. Risk involved in transfers can be negated through proper scouting and talent identification.

What this season has shown, and most of us made this clear last summer before the season had even started, is that sticking with our current strike force will not get us anywhere.

So if we don't "throw the dice" and sign someone, fine, we can stick with what we have, and we'll get the same results.

pnenycx said:
I hope you are right, I fear folks keep talking about the successful ones and neglect the duds.
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It tends to be us that gets the duds. Because we are either scrambling around looking way down the list of targets and/or won't pay for a decent quality of striker on loan or permanently, which leaves us with 'cheap' punts (not so cheap when we have to subsidise their loan moves for the rest of their contracts) who aren't up to it.
 
sedgwick__7 said:
It's not a reason to not do anything as we have for 12 months. Risk involved in transfers can be negated through proper scouting and talent identification.
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Not saying don't do anything, saying realistically it would take 5m + decent wages rather than a 2m signing.

sedgwick__7 said:
It tends to be us that gets the duds.
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Difference between our duds and those of other clubs are ours are cheaper.
 
pnenycx said:
Not saying don't do anything, saying realistically it would take 5m + decent wages rather than a 2m signing.



Difference between our duds and those of other clubs are ours are cheaper.
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Wigan paid £2.5m for Moore, he scored 4 goals after the restart and 10 in the league in total. That would have seen us in the playoffs
 
pnenycx said:
Difference between our duds and those of other clubs are ours are cheaper.
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No dud is truly cheap though as I've just pointed out. And we collect more of them because of our scattergun approach.

Nugent is not a cheap dud on 10k a week (for ONE goal all season). It's not cheap for us to pay most of Burke's wages for 2.5 years of his 3 year contracts whilst he's playing for someone else. Same applied to Doyle, Vermijl, Pringle, O'Connor. It wasn't cheap to pay Andre Green's wages for 6 months for a return of 87 minutes of Championship football.

Not to mention that whilst the likes of Moult, Bodin, Stockley, Rafferty, Hughes etc. aren't neccessarily 'duds', we probably won't get our money back on any of them. Buying cheap all the time also lowers the chances in the long-term of them going on to a big money move.
 
paddysr said:
Wigan paid £2.5m for Moore, he scored 4 goals after the restart and 10 in the league in total. That would have seen us in the playoffs
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Not bad and agree with you we should have gone for him instead of Nugent. His name is cited often but how many of these are out there?
I have said all season we should have paid 1.5/2m to West Ham for Hugill and he has 13 (vs 8 for Moore in open play) for QPR but lot of fans think we need better . . .
 
pnenycx said:
Not bad and agree with you we should have gone for him instead of Nugent. His name is cited often but how many of these are out there?
I have said all season we should have paid 1.5/2m to West Ham for Hugill and he has 13 (vs 8 for Moore in open play) for QPR but lot of fans think we need better . . .
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Eberechi Eze £Club developed
James Collins £200k
Cauley Woodrow £1m
Lukas Jutkiewicz £1m
Ollie Watkins £1.8m
Karlan Grant £2m
Said Behnrahma £2.7m
Adam Armstrong £3.75m


They are the ones under £5m who scored 14 goals or more last season
 
I think that what it boils down to, and not just for PNE, Football League clubs need something that thirty something dads can offer to their offspring to make them think that following a club like PNE can be just as exciting as following a plastic Prem team and sadly it is getting a bit more difficult in recent times.
 
JK said:
I think he is just basing it on Peter's statement on Friday and trying to pass it off as his own inside knowledge.



So what you are saying is that fans contributions are no longer relevant going forwards?

I don't think anyone at PNE or in the IOM would agree with you on that one.
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In fairness and in order the Fans gravity of opinion should be, in least important order first

town Enders
Tom finney flask crew
Invisibles excluding the mob who goad a bit who sit near the kop
And at the top of course Is the corporate areas
 
Walton said:
I think that what it boils down to, and not just for PNE, Football League clubs need something that thirty something dads can offer to their offspring to make them think that following a club like PNE can be just as exciting as following a plastic Prem team and sadly it is getting a bit more difficult in recent times.
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It was challenging in the 90s.....welcome aboard the long haul express from hope to depression central.... None stop...
 
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