I felt sorry for Rudd today. He had a nightmare where very little went right. Time to rest him and give Maxwell a go.
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From the highlights against Leeds, Maxwell didn't look the most secure either but I suspect that making obvious mistakes in the last couple of games is going to cost Rudd. It's an area of concern particularly as the entire team doesn't look organised or comfortable defensively this season.
Rudd was awful today and doesn't deserve to start next game. Maxwell deserves a run now.
However, I don't believe Maxwell is the long term answer. I think they're both average keepers at this level.
I wondered if one would make way in the summer and if the manager would bring in his own keeper, neither seemed to have properly convinced him during the second half of last season.
However, we find it hard enough to fill positions in which we are short, so our priorities were probably elsewhere.
A goalkeeping upgrade could easily be on Neil's list at some point.
Maxwell made a couple of really poor punches in the Leeds game, but Rudd would have been glued to his line for those and Leeds could have scored. For me Maxwell is a much better keeper. I'd have him in the team, but I'd also be looking at getting premium quality coaching for both of them, even if only on an ad-hoc basis. Neither of them seem as good as they were when Kelly was here.From the highlights against Leeds, Maxwell didn't look the most secure either but I suspect that making obvious mistakes in the last couple of games is going to cost Rudd. It's an area of concern particularly as the entire team doesn't look organised or comfortable defensively this season.
thought rudd,barkhuizen,burke,Johnson were terrible, how harrop isn't getting a game is shocking
Harrop not getting a game? Give me a break. He started at QPR, Swansea, Derby and Leeds. He was subbed on at Morecambe and Norwich. The ONLY two games he's not featured in are Stoke and Bolton which, coincidentally or not, were BOTH games we scored 2 goals in.
If I was Harrop, I'd be asking my agent to get me the fuck out of here.
What a ridiculous thing to say - played 38 times for us so far and at 22, is still developing. Add a little more dynamism & work on his decision making and he'll be first player on the team sheet.
This thread is supposedly about Rudd, who for my money needs benching for a sustained period to give Maxwell a run of games. According to Transfermarkt, Maxwell last year played 30 and kept 12 clean sheets (40% clean sheets:games played). Rudd has played 6 so far and kept 1 (~16% clean sheets:games played).. Although there's far more to a goalkeeper's game than clean sheets, as Nish states, Maxwell is the 'safer' bet based on facts. Couple that with HOW he plays and he gets the nod for me.
If we're going to bring Storey in along Davies then I'd argue Clarke must play rightback for the extra experience and leadership.
too soon for this
Maxwell is a very good keeper and gives the back 4 confidence, Rudd is equally a good keeper but doesn;t give that confidence to the back line and that is a problem hence no clean sheets.
All keeper make howlers and its usually costly - Rudd did on saturday and i feel for him but he is bad at times from distance. Maxwell can do it as well remember Fulham last season and it cost us 2 points.
Maxwell to start from now on is a must but lets not casticate Rudd he is still a very good keeper.
All keeper make howlers and its usually costly - Rudd did on saturday and i feel for him but he is bad at times from distance. Maxwell can do it as well remember Fulham last season and it cost us 2 points.
Maxwell to start from now on is a must but lets not casticate Rudd he is still a very good keeper.
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too soon for this
Toon soon for this? You were already advocating Clarke at RB to get Fisher out of the team and sacking Neil but it's too soon to bring in a young player who's been playing in the League Cup?? You fucking hypocrite.
Harrop not getting a game? Give me a break. He started at QPR, Swansea, Derby and Leeds. He was subbed on at Morecambe and Norwich. The ONLY two games he's not featured in are Stoke and Bolton which, coincidentally or not, were BOTH games we scored 2 goals in.
What a ridiculous thing to say - played 38 times for us so far and at 22, is still developing. Add a little more dynamism & work on his decision making and he'll be first player on the team sheet.
This thread is supposedly about Rudd, who for my money needs benching for a sustained period to give Maxwell a run of games. According to Transfermarkt, Maxwell last year played 30 and kept 12 clean sheets (40% clean sheets:games played). Rudd has played 6 so far and kept 1 (~16% clean sheets:games played).. Although there's far more to a goalkeeper's game than clean sheets, as Nish states, Maxwell is the 'safer' bet based on facts. Couple that with HOW he plays and he gets the nod for me.
Remember Yan, Maxwell's games were also played when we had the defensive injury problems so that makes his clean sheet figures even better. He needs reinstating for me.
Remember Yan, Maxwell's games were also played when we had the defensive injury problems so that makes his clean sheet figures even better. He needs reinstating for me.
Very good point - as I wrote earlier, Maxwell in for a few games.
IMHO whilst neither is a world beater, both are arguably better than most other teams' 2nd choice keepers. Many, myself included, were happy that we have depth in that position - 2 lads who are comfortably championship quality rather than the typical set-up where a club has one quality keeper and the 2nd/3rd choice lads are pretty bang-average (have to be if you're happy to sit on a bench for 46 games a season). That is still the case - we have someone who can come straight in for him. Rudd has had a poor start and I do feel for the lad because there are blatant issues with the defence playing in front of him, but how much of that is down to their lack of faith in Rudd's ability to command his area and deal with lofted balls from out wide..? We only find that out by playing Maxwell for a few games instead.
If we're going to bring Storey in along Davies then I'd argue Clarke must play rightback for the extra experience and leadership.
That is my line of thinking as well. By all accounts Storey and Davies were very good at Leeds and it is highly likely that this time next year they will be our first choice central defensive partnership. How quickly they become so is another matter. Right now with Pearson suspended for three games and Ledson for another two finding an effective defensive central midfield formation is the challenge. Playing Gallagher and Johnson together is not an attractive option. The only realistic one seems to be play Browne in the 2 which would at least allow Harrop to resume in the centre of the 3.
That is my line of thinking as well. By all accounts Storey and Davies were very good at Leeds and it is highly likely that this time next year they will be our first choice central defensive partnership. How quickly they become so is another matter. Right now with Pearson suspended for three games and Ledson for another two finding an effective defensive central midfield formation is the challenge. Playing Gallagher and Johnson together is not an attractive option. The only realistic one seems to be play Browne in the 2 which would at least allow Harrop to resume in the centre of the 3.
Fisher is a much better right back than Clarke though, despite a poor start to the season - I actually think that Fisher has been left badly exposed by Burke who offers him no support. Fisher has 2 full seasons at this level as a right back, so it’s not like he’s a kid.
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Fisher is a much better right back than Clarke though, despite a poor start to the season - I actually think that Fisher has been left badly exposed by Burke who offers him no support. Fisher has 2 full seasons at this level as a right back, so it’s not like he’s a kid.
Fisher’s quality isn’t great when he does get forward, but at least he actually does get forward and offer that outlet down the right hand side.
Clarke playing RB limits us badly down that side. Burke was poor vs Bolton and is very one-footed, but every time he turned out looking for a ball out to the right, nobody was there as Clarke rarely crosses the halfway line.
AN may have a decision to make soon if sloppy performances continue at the back. Clarke / Huntington have been pretty unconvincing thus far, and Storey was probably MOTM at Leeds against a £7m forward. I’m all for having a few experienced heads in the team but if they aren’t playing well then it’s pointless really.
Toon soon for this? You were already advocating Clarke at RB to get Fisher out of the team and sacking Neil but it's too soon to bring in a young player who's been playing in the League Cup?? You fucking hypocrite.
Could you not have typed You hypocrite instead of the profanity? your mum would be so proud
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AN may have a decision to make soon if sloppy performances continue at the back. Clarke / Huntington have been pretty unconvincing thus far, and Storey was probably MOTM at Leeds against a £7m forward. I’m all for having a few experienced heads in the team but if they aren’t playing well then it’s pointless really.
Why not. If something good is going to come of this season is should be progress and new partnerships storey and Davies - wow exciting
Fisher is a much better right back than Clarke though, despite a poor start to the season - I actually think that Fisher has been left badly exposed by Burke who offers him no support. Fisher has 2 full seasons at this level as a right back, so it’s not like he’s a kid.
Fisher at the top of his game certainly is the better option - much more mobile though even at his best a poor crosser of the ball. But this season he has been impulsive and rash at times - maybe being benched for the last game will concentrate his mind. Clarke is not bad as a right-back though if he is beaten he will be left trailing in a way that makes him look pretty poor which is why he has to get tackles right first time.
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Could you not have typed You hypocrite instead of the profanity? your mum would be so proud
Apologies almighty one, I won’t ever speak such filth to you ever again.
I just see it an eye for an eye - you post some nonsense, I’ll respond with some obscenities. That way you’ll know how annoying it is to see someone constantly reacting in such an OTT way.
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for me harrop back in and needs to be a first choice midfielder for meThat is my line of thinking as well. By all accounts Storey and Davies were very good at Leeds and it is highly likely that this time next year they will be our first choice central defensive partnership. How quickly they become so is another matter. Right now with Pearson suspended for three games and Ledson for another two finding an effective defensive central midfield formation is the challenge. Playing Gallagher and Johnson together is not an attractive option. The only realistic one seems to be play Browne in the 2 which would at least allow Harrop to resume in the centre of the 3.
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for me harrop back in and needs to be a first choice midfielder for me
I'd agree if he ever had a good game in a north end shirt.