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Same old no lessons learnt

Same old no lessons learnt

Looking back, things started to unwind in March, once speculation linking Neil to WBA first surfaced and apart from the win over Ipswich, we have still not got back on track. Just prior to that speculation, we had that great run of 6 consecutive away wins, so has that been a factor?

Yes, there are always strange and unexpected results on the opening day, so it's certainly far too early to make a judgement. However, the concern is that the losing mentality has carried over from the tail end of last season. It needs to be quickly reversed and there's no better time to do that than next Saturday in a local Derby!
 
This is what Bayliss will bring, I am told by a Cov friend that he is very much in the James maddison mold and will be a superb player.

I cannot accept Neil's thoughts on the game, he totally got it wrong yesterday but as i said alarmingly he isn;;t learning from the errors of last season.

I also think that Rudd should be cut some slack, he is not a bad keeper as people are saying.
 
Walton said:
Maguire up front would/will be OK if we find a midfielder who can carry the ball and play him in with a decent pass.
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Yes Maguire can be played as a lone striker if we move the ball along the ground and play forward passes through the opposition defence. As for a midfielder who can play that way we already have him - he is Daniel Johnson.
 
spender said:
Losing to that scum embarrassing but Neil Harris sussed us out and won the game,so why couldn;t Alex neil suss them out and we win the game?????

Playing Maguire up front on his own laughable becuase we play a long high ball.

Neil has eye for a good player but he cannot turn a losing position into either a draw or a win = he is clueless with this and only wins when the opposition has an off day.

People knock Simon Grayson but he was a better than neil, we need a new manager simple as.

Look at the stats for last season before you slate me

Millwall away lose what an embarrassment doesn;t get any worse. Look at who travelle;d down there and what they received, Was it bad if so and they admit that we should be reimbursed our money. All we want is 90 minutes of endeavour

Where was Moult or Harrop? they will want away and i dont blame them, shite today totally embarrasing
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I like you posting as you see it Spender and don't let others put you off because you don't go with the grain. I can see some sense in what you're saying and lm far from convinced in AN. Saying that, we are 1 game in to a 46 game season and alot can change. See where we are after the transfer window closes and we've played at least 10 or so games. Cheers.
 
spender said:
Nice replies,

It isn't calling the managers head after one game it is that we haven't moved on from last season same old problems that this manager cannot address and that is worrying. We like any other teram can lose to any other team in this league but Millwall????? come on a pub team at best and we throw it away.

Stockley should have started, he can hold the ball up and ruffle defenders, Maguire is a different sort of striker and would better as an impact striker when defenders are tired, its not rocket science but our manager cannot see this.
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Millwall a pub team??
Guess that makes us about U15's level then after yesterday.?⚽️?‍♂️
 
It's a simple game really, yer inside left passes it to yer outside left, who beats his man, goes t byline and crosses t centre forward who bundles ball n keeper in t back of the net...simple ?
 
spender said:
Nice replies,

It isn't calling the managers head after one game it is that we haven't moved on from last season same old problems that this manager cannot address and that is worrying. We like any other teram can lose to any other team in this league but Millwall????? come on a pub team at best and we throw it away.

Stockley should have started, he can hold the ball up and ruffle defenders, Maguire is a different sort of striker and would better as an impact striker when defenders are tired, its not rocket science but our manager cannot see this.
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You said we need a new manager simple as......that is calling for the manager's head surely?
 
What are the clubs intentions this season?
Have they come out and said anything?

Judging by the current team we are aiming for another season at this level. The chance has now gone to get extra bums on seats with some exciting and much needed signings.

How can they possibly moan about our attendance figures when there is nothing to pull them towards Deepdale. I have a season ticket but the enjoyment is ebbing away, the atmosphere at home games is stale, we have nothing to shout about and fully understand why you would stay away.

Get 2-3 big players who are ready for the first team or forget about it again.
 
simonnisbet said:
What are the clubs intentions this season?
Have they come out and said anything?

Judging by the current team we are aiming for another season at this level. The chance has now gone to get extra bums on seats with some exciting and much needed signings.

How can they possibly moan about our attendance figures when there is nothing to pull them towards Deepdale. I have a season ticket but the enjoyment is ebbing away, the atmosphere at home games is stale, we have nothing to shout about and fully understand why you would stay away.

Get 2-3 big players who are ready for the first team or forget about it again.
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Here's the problem
Trevor Hemmings says nothing
Hemmings (son) nothing of substance so far
Peter Ridsdale can't say anything.
John Kay nothing coherent so far.
Other Directors??
Alex Neil treading on eggshells!
Not the best leadership from the club
 
Whilst I understand the frustration of many supporters, we have to remember that in terms of spending power, A.N. is having to shop in the equivalent of Aldi rather than Safeway. Therefore, the level of skill we are able to attract is far less than the majority of our opponents in this division. Many have said regularly that money doesn't buy success which is fair enough, but what money does buy you (usually) is quality.

It is only the first game of the season. Look how much money Blackburn have spent and yet they lost to a team newly promoted from the division below. Sometimes there is no knowing why these things happen. 45 games to go, chin up!!
 
Mortis said:
I'll say it as I see it , an awful lot of people post Grayson moaned about negative set ups and the mentality of being a hard to beat side but lacking flair for most of his tenure - is it genuinely any better under Neil ? ( especially at Deepdale where other then 4 / 5 performances in two seasons its frankly drab at best ) , yes its about results but I also want to be entertained and I watch just as an example Luton on the Friday have a good go at Boro or Barnsley attacking Fulham with pace yesterday ( from the highlights Ive seen ) and we just IMO are set up well away from home to frustrate and counter but as long as Neil persists with Maguire upfront ( which I find utterly baffling especially at home ) and does not resort back to the high press which was very evident in the early part of his managerial time at Deepdale ( yes we had injuries but I felt like we went to win games not worry as much about the opposition / try and win by the odd goal ) I think whist we have a very decent team missing as we all know a couple of key improvements at the moment this team appears to be treading water , a very poor finish to last season , we look lethargic in pre season and by all accounts had zero ideas in the second half at Millwall , I'm sure Im in the minority but Im not as convinced with Neil as others but hope of course we get back to winning ways with a sprinkle of entertainment and a good season - my gut just tells me it might be a long one

Mortis
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Spot on,Mortis.
I didn't want AN in the first place but once appointed he had my support. However he's abandoned his early pressing attacking style, which he said after the Hull away game he would continue with and that it might lose us the odd game but at least we'd go down fighting. So why the change? It's like he's become an inferior Grayson. Players not being played to their strengths, and always picking his favourites even when they are out of form. All the things Norwich fans told us would happen.
 
As I said on another thread playing Maguire up front on his own against two CB's is not the way for goals to flow

For those who say 4-4-2 doesn’t work, they are wrong it does with the right players

Think back to Dichio (not the most prolific of strikers) and Nugent, goals were a plenty, then even with Sedge on the wing

We have players through about the squad who can play those roles, no need to have ‘fancy’ ways of doing things, copying off other Managers

Football is a simple game, someone said (Shankley I think) and he knew a thing or two about it
 
Mortis said:
I'll say it as I see it , an awful lot of people post Grayson moaned about negative set ups and the mentality of being a hard to beat side but lacking flair for most of his tenure - is it genuinely any better under Neil ? ( especially at Deepdale where other then 4 / 5 performances in two seasons its frankly drab at best ) , yes its about results but I also want to be entertained and I watch just as an example Luton on the Friday have a good go at Boro or Barnsley attacking Fulham with pace yesterday ( from the highlights Ive seen ) and we just IMO are set up well away from home to frustrate and counter but as long as Neil persists with Maguire upfront ( which I find utterly baffling especially at home ) and does not resort back to the high press which was very evident in the early part of his managerial time at Deepdale ( yes we had injuries but I felt like we went to win games not worry as much about the opposition / try and win by the odd goal ) I think whist we have a very decent team missing as we all know a couple of key improvements at the moment this team appears to be treading water , a very poor finish to last season , we look lethargic in pre season and by all accounts had zero ideas in the second half at Millwall , I'm sure Im in the minority but Im not as convinced with Neil as others but hope of course we get back to winning ways with a sprinkle of entertainment and a good season - my gut just tells me it might be a long one

Mortis
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Great post Bill, totally agree.
 
The most damning aspect of the Millwall performance is that it reminded me of a Grayson team: set up because we feared the opposition, and sapping self belief before a ball was kicked. Grayson style!

Is Neil really that stupid?

Or, does another turgid defeat make it easier to put a convincing case for fresh blood?
 
jumping mouse said:
The most damning aspect of the Millwall performance is that it reminded me of a Grayson team: set up because we feared the opposition, and sapping self belief before a ball was kicked. Grayson style!

Is Neil really that stupid?

Or, does another turgid defeat make it easier to put a convincing case for fresh blood?
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Sean Maguire up front on his own - sigh
 
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