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So many pointless threads

It's not just all about money. It shouldn't matter if the budget is 50p or 50 million, the club ethos should be a positive one. It doesn't cost anything to pick our best available 11 and try to play positive attacking football. I begrudgingly accept the reality of football finance nowadays but that doesn't have to mean defensive minded, boring football where the only true objective is to avoid relegation. If the club owners, their advisor and the team manager can't see that, then the fans are entitled to feel disgruntled.
 
HarrogateWhite said:
It's not just all about money. It shouldn't matter if the budget is 50p or 50 million, the club ethos should be a positive one. It doesn't cost anything to pick our best available 11 and try to play positive attacking football. I begrudgingly accept the reality of football finance nowadays but that doesn't have to mean defensive minded, boring football where the only true objective is to avoid relegation. If the club owners, their advisor and the team manager can't see that, then the fans are entitled to feel disgruntled.
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There's an issue I have with this statement. Playing more defensive football doesn't mean they're not trying to win games, or are only trying to avoid relegation. It's just the way that the manager deems it most likely to win a given match, or with the players available.

I have plenty of criticisms of both McAvoy and the club's setup, but the idea that you're not trying to win if you set up to be defensively solid is an ignorant mindset.
 
We may not own the club but it is our club and we will both (fans and club) be here long after the Hemmings and Ridsdale's of this world have long departed.
As for running a football club SUCCESSFULLY, you may note that we haven't progressed financially or on the pitch during the past 10 years
 
MBcha said:
Ahh yeah. We shouldn't discuss it then.

Even more so how dare forum members have an opinion.

Thanks for the pointless thread.
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Whilst I do not agree with personal abuse of individuals it will be a sad day for the Club as a whole when nobody cares enough to comment on matters they believe could operate more efficiently.
A good business takes on board feedback from paying customers as many of us are. Comments made by former spectators are also very important as it is beneficial to win back lapsed fans.
Criticism is vital as long as it is constructive and not bad on personal threat or abuse.
 
No Danger said:
Whilst I do not agree with personal abuse of individuals it will be a sad day for the Club as a whole when nobody cares enough to comment on matters they believe could operate more efficiently.
A good business takes on board feedback from paying customers as many of us are. Comments made by former spectators are also very important as it is beneficial to win back lapsed fans.
Criticism is vital as long as it is constructive and not bad on personal threat or abuse.
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Sorry meant to reply to OP.
 
HunterLionheart said:
There's an issue I have with this statement. Playing more defensive football doesn't mean they're not trying to win games, or are only trying to avoid relegation. It's just the way that the manager deems it most likely to win a given match, or with the players available.

I have plenty of criticisms of both McAvoy and the club's setup, but the idea that you're not trying to win if you set up to be defensively solid is an ignorant mindset.
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Steady with the "ignorant", I'm sure most of us on here have been following football long enough to know one end of the pitch from the other.

Let me try and word my post another way for you.... There can be a difference between being "defensively solid" and playing boring, percentage football. Is the only way we can really win games is through sitting back in defence and then booting the ball up the wing and chasing after it in hope? Is direct football our only option? Can we not defend when necessary but also attack in a more positive, attractive manner? Or at least try?

Attendances aren't just down because of transfer/wage budget. They're down because the football on show is at times really really boring.
 
mdsstfpbphes said:
There are so many pointless threads on this forum over the past few months, some might include this one in that category.

When are people going to understand what was really said by CH and PR, the other week.

I'll try and summarise:-
1) The family will continue to support PNE
2) The family decides the financial constraints that PR and the club operates under, not this forum
3) Craig basically agreed with his dad that the financial constraints applied to PNE and is not going to change them
4) The family have to considered the investment needed across the group to protect 1,000's of job and not just PNE. The members of the forum have zero experience of owning and running a billion pound group of companies
5) Craig Hemmings and another lady(can't remember her name) who works for the family sign-off any new financial commitments not this forum or PR
6) PR sticks to the rules and does in the families opinion does a good job and is trusted by them. What the forum say is completely irrelevant as they have never run a football club and haven't got a scooby-doo on how to.
7) PR does not decide which players are sign, he only does the financial side of things. FM and his team identify who they want and the priority. It's up to PR to find out if they can fit into the financial constraints that the club operates under.
8) Craig said that some fans misunderstood the recruitment process and PR's role in that process. I would be less polite and they wanted someone to blame and PR was the obvious one. For some it's blind hatred and some posts are very abusive.
8) FM is doing OK, could be better but we are going to give him a chance to get better. After all he his a rookie manager and we'll give him a good chance. The forum can run as many polls as they want but it's the Hemming's family and PR to decide when it's time to move on.

When forum members continue to cry wolf then it would be no surprise that the club and the Hemmings family stops listening.

As a one-liner I would Summarise it as.

WE ARE IN CHARGE, NOT THE FORUM AS THEY HAVEN'T GOT A CLUE ON HOW TO RUN A FOOTBALL CLUB

As for me the only the only thing that I can influence is match day and back the team on the pitch, doesn't really matter what I think about how the club is run. I do think that all of this negativity does get back to the players and can only have a detrimental impact on them which is a bad thing.
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Good afternoon Mr Ridsdale.
 
HarrogateWhite said:
Steady with the "ignorant", I'm sure most of us on here have been following football long enough to know one end of the pitch from the other.

Let me try and word my post another way for you.... There can be a difference between being "defensively solid" and playing boring, percentage football. Is the only way we can really win games is through sitting back in defence and then booting the ball up the wing and chasing after it in hope? Is direct football our only option? Can we not defend when necessary but also attack in a more positive, attractive manner? Or at least try?

Attendances aren't just down because of transfer/wage budget. They're down because the football on show is at times really really boring.
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I mean I don't disagree, I think the football is shit most of the time. But it seems to come up quite often that people decide that playing defensively means we only want to draw, or as you said, are just trying to avoid relegation.

I think the nature of our financial limitations as a club mean we're not going to win many open games, where both teams have a ton of chances and the best attackers usually win.

I think, barring Darren Ferguson, every manager we've had at this level since 2000 has understood this to some degree, and they've tried to build a solid, defensively strong side first. It's simply cheaper to build a good team that way.
 
HunterLionheart said:
I mean I don't disagree, I think the football is shit most of the time. But it seems to come up quite often that people decide that playing defensively means we only want to draw, or as you said, are just trying to avoid relegation.

I think the nature of our financial limitations as a club mean we're not going to win many open games, where both teams have a ton of chances and the best attackers usually win.

I think, barring Darren Ferguson, every manager we've had at this level since 2000 has understood this to some degree, and they've tried to build a solid, defensively strong side first. It's simply cheaper to build a good team that way.
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An open game where the best attackers win - that sounds brilliant! But yeah, fair enough, I was a big Grayson fan and he was hardly Mr attacking flair! I don't think the Blackpoo result, followed by the scouse team selection helped the negative perception. Hopefully we can put in a performance against the plastics and the mood will lift further.
 
HarrogateWhite said:
An open game where the best attackers win - that sounds brilliant! But yeah, fair enough, I was a big Grayson fan and he was hardly Mr attacking flair! I don't think the Blackpoo result, followed by the scouse team selection helped the negative perception. Hopefully we can put in a performance against the plastics and the mood will lift further.
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It does sound great fun, sadly we'd just lose most of the games!

I think there is a negative perception, because we are a pretty poor side. It's perfectly fair to criticise it. Ultimately, we're all happy with the style if we are winning. When we aren't, then it's gonna get hammered. Nobody enjoys pragmatism if it isn't effective.
 
mdsstfpbphes said:
There are so many pointless threads on this forum over the past few months, some might include this one in that category.

When are people going to understand what was really said by CH and PR, the other week.

I'll try and summarise:-
1) The family will continue to support PNE
2) The family decides the financial constraints that PR and the club operates under, not this forum
3) Craig basically agreed with his dad that the financial constraints applied to PNE and is not going to change them
4) The family have to considered the investment needed across the group to protect 1,000's of job and not just PNE. The members of the forum have zero experience of owning and running a billion pound group of companies
5) Craig Hemmings and another lady(can't remember her name) who works for the family sign-off any new financial commitments not this forum or PR
6) PR sticks to the rules and does in the families opinion does a good job and is trusted by them. What the forum say is completely irrelevant as they have never run a football club and haven't got a scooby-doo on how to.
7) PR does not decide which players are sign, he only does the financial side of things. FM and his team identify who they want and the priority. It's up to PR to find out if they can fit into the financial constraints that the club operates under.
8) Craig said that some fans misunderstood the recruitment process and PR's role in that process. I would be less polite and they wanted someone to blame and PR was the obvious one. For some it's blind hatred and some posts are very abusive.
8) FM is doing OK, could be better but we are going to give him a chance to get better. After all he his a rookie manager and we'll give him a good chance. The forum can run as many polls as they want but it's the Hemming's family and PR to decide when it's time to move on.

When forum members continue to cry wolf then it would be no surprise that the club and the Hemmings family stops listening.

As a one-liner I would Summarise it as.

WE ARE IN CHARGE, NOT THE FORUM AS THEY HAVEN'T GOT A CLUE ON HOW TO RUN A FOOTBALL CLUB

As for me the only the only thing that I can influence is match day and back the team on the pitch, doesn't really matter what I think about how the club is run. I do think that all of this negativity does get back to the players and can only have a detrimental impact on them which is a bad thing.
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So, in summary, discussion is banned, right?
 
mdsstfpbphes said:
There are so many pointless threads on this forum over the past few months, some might include this one in that category.

When are people going to understand what was really said by CH and PR, the other week.

I'll try and summarise:-
1) The family will continue to support PNE
2) The family decides the financial constraints that PR and the club operates under, not this forum
3) Craig basically agreed with his dad that the financial constraints applied to PNE and is not going to change them
4) The family have to considered the investment needed across the group to protect 1,000's of job and not just PNE. The members of the forum have zero experience of owning and running a billion pound group of companies
5) Craig Hemmings and another lady(can't remember her name) who works for the family sign-off any new financial commitments not this forum or PR
6) PR sticks to the rules and does in the families opinion does a good job and is trusted by them. What the forum say is completely irrelevant as they have never run a football club and haven't got a scooby-doo on how to.
7) PR does not decide which players are sign, he only does the financial side of things. FM and his team identify who they want and the priority. It's up to PR to find out if they can fit into the financial constraints that the club operates under.
8) Craig said that some fans misunderstood the recruitment process and PR's role in that process. I would be less polite and they wanted someone to blame and PR was the obvious one. For some it's blind hatred and some posts are very abusive.
8) FM is doing OK, could be better but we are going to give him a chance to get better. After all he his a rookie manager and we'll give him a good chance. The forum can run as many polls as they want but it's the Hemming's family and PR to decide when it's time to move on.

When forum members continue to cry wolf then it would be no surprise that the club and the Hemmings family stops listening.

As a one-liner I would Summarise it as.

WE ARE IN CHARGE, NOT THE FORUM AS THEY HAVEN'T GOT A CLUE ON HOW TO RUN A FOOTBALL CLUB

As for me the only the only thing that I can influence is match day and back the team on the pitch, doesn't really matter what I think about how the club is run. I do think that all of this negativity does get back to the players and can only have a detrimental impact on them which is a bad thing.
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It's an open forum, you can't dictate what is and isn't discussed. We could be top of the league playing prime Barca football and if some mush wants to whinge, that's their right on a forum.

No one is forcing you to be here wading through the negativity. Just buy your ticket for Saturday, go to Ewood and keep your gob shut regardless of the result if being a blind faith happy clapper is what you want to be. Leave the tough discussion for us neg-heads on here.
 
mdsstfpbphes said:
There are so many pointless threads on this forum over the past few months, some might include this one in that category.

When are people going to understand what was really said by CH and PR, the other week.

I'll try and summarise:-
1) The family will continue to support PNE
2) The family decides the financial constraints that PR and the club operates under, not this forum
3) Craig basically agreed with his dad that the financial constraints applied to PNE and is not going to change them
4) The family have to considered the investment needed across the group to protect 1,000's of job and not just PNE. The members of the forum have zero experience of owning and running a billion pound group of companies
5) Craig Hemmings and another lady(can't remember her name) who works for the family sign-off any new financial commitments not this forum or PR
6) PR sticks to the rules and does in the families opinion does a good job and is trusted by them. What the forum say is completely irrelevant as they have never run a football club and haven't got a scooby-doo on how to.
7) PR does not decide which players are sign, he only does the financial side of things. FM and his team identify who they want and the priority. It's up to PR to find out if they can fit into the financial constraints that the club operates under.
8) Craig said that some fans misunderstood the recruitment process and PR's role in that process. I would be less polite and they wanted someone to blame and PR was the obvious one. For some it's blind hatred and some posts are very abusive.
8) FM is doing OK, could be better but we are going to give him a chance to get better. After all he his a rookie manager and we'll give him a good chance. The forum can run as many polls as they want but it's the Hemming's family and PR to decide when it's time to move on.

When forum members continue to cry wolf then it would be no surprise that the club and the Hemmings family stops listening.

As a one-liner I would Summarise it as.

WE ARE IN CHARGE, NOT THE FORUM AS THEY HAVEN'T GOT A CLUE ON HOW TO RUN A FOOTBALL CLUB

As for me the only the only thing that I can influence is match day and back the team on the pitch, doesn't really matter what I think about how the club is run. I do think that all of this negativity does get back to the players and can only have a detrimental impact on them which is a bad thing.
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what utter bloody self centred bollocks, the irony of posting this is obviously lost on you, you tube.
 
mdsstfpbphes said:
There are so many pointless threads on this forum over the past few months, some might include this one in that category.

When are people going to understand what was really said by CH and PR, the other week.

I'll try and summarise:-
1) The family will continue to support PNE
2) The family decides the financial constraints that PR and the club operates under, not this forum
3) Craig basically agreed with his dad that the financial constraints applied to PNE and is not going to change them
4) The family have to considered the investment needed across the group to protect 1,000's of job and not just PNE. The members of the forum have zero experience of owning and running a billion pound group of companies
5) Craig Hemmings and another lady(can't remember her name) who works for the family sign-off any new financial commitments not this forum or PR
6) PR sticks to the rules and does in the families opinion does a good job and is trusted by them. What the forum say is completely irrelevant as they have never run a football club and haven't got a scooby-doo on how to.
7) PR does not decide which players are sign, he only does the financial side of things. FM and his team identify who they want and the priority. It's up to PR to find out if they can fit into the financial constraints that the club operates under.
8) Craig said that some fans misunderstood the recruitment process and PR's role in that process. I would be less polite and they wanted someone to blame and PR was the obvious one. For some it's blind hatred and some posts are very abusive.
8) FM is doing OK, could be better but we are going to give him a chance to get better. After all he his a rookie manager and we'll give him a good chance. The forum can run as many polls as they want but it's the Hemming's family and PR to decide when it's time to move on.

When forum members continue to cry wolf then it would be no surprise that the club and the Hemmings family stops listening.

As a one-liner I would Summarise it as.

WE ARE IN CHARGE, NOT THE FORUM AS THEY HAVEN'T GOT A CLUE ON HOW TO RUN A FOOTBALL CLUB

As for me the only the only thing that I can influence is match day and back the team on the pitch, doesn't really matter what I think about how the club is run. I do think that all of this negativity does get back to the players and can only have a detrimental impact on them which is a bad thing.
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Having read through this utter drivel it doesnt surprise me you struggle to count past the number 8
 
HarrogateWhite said:
An open game where the best attackers win - that sounds brilliant! But yeah, fair enough, I was a big Grayson fan and he was hardly Mr attacking flair! I don't think the Blackpoo result, followed by the scouse team selection helped the negative perception. Hopefully we can put in a performance against the plastics and the mood will lift further.
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I think the reason we lost against the Lasher's was simply that it was their cup final and the one game that they wanted to win above all others, that plus home advantage put us up against the wall from kick off. FWIW, we will beat them at Deepdale and we will finish above them in the league. 🙂

I think it's quite cute that they hold us in such high regard.
 
mdsstfpbphes said:
There are so many pointless threads on this forum over the past few months, some might include this one in that category.

When are people going to understand what was really said by CH and PR, the other week.

I'll try and summarise:-
1) The family will continue to support PNE
2) The family decides the financial constraints that PR and the club operates under, not this forum
3) Craig basically agreed with his dad that the financial constraints applied to PNE and is not going to change them
4) The family have to considered the investment needed across the group to protect 1,000's of job and not just PNE. The members of the forum have zero experience of owning and running a billion pound group of companies
5) Craig Hemmings and another lady(can't remember her name) who works for the family sign-off any new financial commitments not this forum or PR
6) PR sticks to the rules and does in the families opinion does a good job and is trusted by them. What the forum say is completely irrelevant as they have never run a football club and haven't got a scooby-doo on how to.
7) PR does not decide which players are sign, he only does the financial side of things. FM and his team identify who they want and the priority. It's up to PR to find out if they can fit into the financial constraints that the club operates under.
8) Craig said that some fans misunderstood the recruitment process and PR's role in that process. I would be less polite and they wanted someone to blame and PR was the obvious one. For some it's blind hatred and some posts are very abusive.
8) FM is doing OK, could be better but we are going to give him a chance to get better. After all he his a rookie manager and we'll give him a good chance. The forum can run as many polls as they want but it's the Hemming's family and PR to decide when it's time to move on.

When forum members continue to cry wolf then it would be no surprise that the club and the Hemmings family stops listening.

As a one-liner I would Summarise it as.

WE ARE IN CHARGE, NOT THE FORUM AS THEY HAVEN'T GOT A CLUE ON HOW TO RUN A FOOTBALL CLUB

As for me the only the only thing that I can influence is match day and back the team on the pitch, doesn't really matter what I think about how the club is run. I do think that all of this negativity does get back to the players and can only have a detrimental impact on them which is a bad thing.
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Signed, Peter Ridsdale.
 
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