Springies update

[Keeper1]

I’ve no idea what’s happening at Springfield’s but following the work which has started at Ingol I’ve been told from a couple of trusted sources not to expect the training ground complex to be started for another 18 to 22 months.

It would appear that the owner has either decided to ensure all the property//land is sold first or is hoping we get promoted to fund it.

Personally I do not wish to cause animosity between the fans and the owner or the football club, although I am inclined to officially contact them on behalf of the forum and everyone who signed the petition as I think we have been mugged off.

Of course some sort of clarity from the owner or Football Club would be preferred rather than John Kay’s usual waffle and the generic email responses from Mr. Ridsdale which would save us from doing so..”

Sadly, I think the former would be needed to obtain the latter. To my mind, approval for the housing work was only obtained (after previous refusals) due to the inclusion of park land in perpetuity, provision of affordable housing plus the Premier League standard PNE training facility and the support of members of this forum. Are we therefore not entitled to expect “clarity” from TH? Is an update (any update!) via JK as the spearhead of the forum support too much to ask for, far less a matter of common courtesy?

I do not feel JK would say on the forum that work is not to start at the earliest “for another 18 to 22 months” unless he truly relied on the information he has received. Accepting that to be the case, I for one would support JK contacting TH via the club seeking the clarification which I feel our earlier support deserves.

 

[Strongbow]

I’ve no idea what’s happening at Springfield’s but following the work which has started at Ingol I’ve been told from a couple of trusted sources no expect the training ground complex to be started for another 18 to 22 months.

It would appear that the owner has either decided to ensure all the property//land is sold first or is hoping we get promoted to fund it.

Personally I do not wish to cause animosity between the fans and the owner or the football club, although I am inclined to officially contact them on behalf of the forum and everyone who signed the petition as I think we have been mugged off.

Of course some sort of clarity from the owner or Football Club would be preferred rather than John Kay’s usual waffle and the generic email responses from Mr. Ridsdale which would save us from doing so.

Bang a letter (e-mail) in JK ..............................

 

[Pilot]

TH knew the score when he took control of the club (or obtained it for a song from the existing shareholders).

£500k - £600k a month is nothing to him.

£13+ million in for Hugill and Cunningham and how much re-invested in players?

Where is the promised new training ground (that the fans DID NOT ask for, but DID fully support and help to obtain planning permission?)

"Nuff said"

All of it I would say.

 

[Wisemen say]

I’ve no idea what’s happening at Springfield’s but following the work which has started at Ingol I’ve been told from a couple of trusted sources not to expect the training ground complex to be started for another 18 to 22 months.

It would appear that the owner has either decided to ensure all the property//land is sold first or is hoping we get promoted to fund it.

Personally I do not wish to cause animosity between the fans and the owner or the football club, although I am inclined to officially contact them on behalf of the forum and everyone who signed the petition as I think we have been mugged off.

Of course some sort of clarity from the owner or Football Club would be preferred rather than John Kay’s usual waffle and the generic email responses from Mr. Ridsdale which would save us from doing so.

JK please contact the club and request clarification, won't hold my breath on you getting a direct answer 1

 

[TSR2]

JK please contact the club and request clarification, won't hold my breath on you getting a direct answer

 

[sports rehab]

.......not to mention all the dogshit we have to avoid spectating by the fence on the Guild Wheel path - I blame Hemmings.

.......not to mention all the dogshit we have to avoid spectating by the fence on the Guild Wheel path - I blame Hemmings.

except the only reason we have to watch from the cycle path was down to Westley and his side kick Maamria....

IF we ever get a new T.G. will there be any viewing at all ??

 

[TSR2]

except the only reason we have to watch from the cycle path was down to Westley and his side kick Maamria....

IF we ever get a new T.G. will there be any viewing at all ??

 

[epsilon]

Jack Daniels > "You know my views. Hemmings Out."

And may we now see the reasoning as well ?


As for reinvestment, there is a way to check this. It's really easy.

When the owner takes money out of the club, that's when income has not been reinvested.

Each time the amount of money owed to the owner goes up i.e. every year, he's reinvested everything and put more in on top.


The only time that the amount owed went down (that I can think of) was when the owner wrote off 10's of millions of pounds. That doesn't count as not reinvesting.


Personally, I'd like to see someone approach the club about the training facility. It feels like deception but I'd like to hear the club's position...

From the sound of it, the planning permission condition has been triggered. A vehicle entering the site may be sufficient. So there's potentially no issue with that.


The news about Springfields is positive.

 

[simo]

Ah the old you are not allowed to criticise Mr. Hemmings unless you are in the position to buy the club.

If I had Hemmings money I’d bank roll us. However it’s his money and he can do with it as he pleases.

However, as we all put in a high proportion of our income into the club we are more than entitled to comment on his ownership.

Absolutely.

My position is that it's unfair (and probably blinkered and childish) to moan on about the amount of money he puts in. He puts a lot in. An awful lot.

However it's perfectly valid to criticise the way this is spent e.g. the failure to replace Hugill, even with 6 months to do so.

I personally don't really care much about the training ground situation but clearly many do, thats their prerogative. So why the hard headed refusal to provide a proper update? An nnecessary slap in the face to fans who invested their own free time to help get the planning app over the line. Building a training ground is hard, keeping your supporters informed is simple, so why not do it?

Hemmings, Ridsdale and co are doing a decent job but the potential is there for more. The least we should expect is a club that tries it's best but it feels like there's another 10 or 20% in there at times and in a game of fine margins that's the frustration.

 

[Duncan Iceglide]

Big Units - could do with keeping them in defence.

 

[mapping]

Yeah but Hemmings is our saviour...

You know my views.

Hemmings Out.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48412747

Carful what we wish for , grass greener n all that

 

[Doc Brown]

Absolutely.

My position is that it's unfair (and probably blinkered and childish) to moan on about the amount of money he puts in. He puts a lot in. An awful lot.

However it's perfectly valid to criticise the way this is spent e.g. the failure to replace Hugill, even with 6 months to do so.

I personally don't really care much about the training ground situation but clearly many do, thats their prerogative. So why the hard headed refusal to provide a proper update? An nnecessary slap in the face to fans who invested their own free time to help get the planning app over the line. Building a training ground is hard, keeping your supporters informed is simple, so why not do it?

Hemmings, Ridsdale and co are doing a decent job but the potential is there for more. The least we should expect is a club that tries it's best but it feels like there's another 10 or 20% in there at times and in a game of fine margins that's the frustration.

Agree. It's well and good saying the £500k+ a month Hemmings puts into the club is chicken feed in comparison to the worth of his overall business empire, but it's still a huge amount of money by anyone's standards. Chucking such vast amounts of cash into a non-profitable 'business' each month is a serious investment/loss even for a billionaire.

We know full well that figure could easily sky rocket after a few poor financial decisions too. That's why, for me, the argument that because Joe Bloggs might invest a greater proportion of his wealth than Hemmings by buying his season ticket for £400, it therefore means Hemmings is not pulling his weight, doesn't really check out. As much as £400 is a lot of money, I don't believe it can be fairly compared with the £6 million season ticket Hemmings commits to paying most seasons.

Hemmings should of course not be immune from criticism. The training ground situation has become a real fiasco. As you say simo, why wouldn't the club clarify the situation? As it looks like the supporters who rallied support for the planning permission have been used, I would fully support JK in directly contacting the club to try and get some answers.

 

[Keeper1]

Absolutely.

My position is that it's unfair (and probably blinkered and childish) to moan on about the amount of money he puts in. He puts a lot in. An awful lot.

However it's perfectly valid to criticise the way this is spent e.g. the failure to replace Hugill, even with 6 months to do so.

I personally don't really care much about the training ground situation but clearly many do, thats their prerogative. So why the hard headed refusal to provide a proper update? An nnecessary slap in the face to fans who invested their own free time to help get the planning app over the line. Building a training ground is hard, keeping your supporters informed is simple, so why not do it?

Hemmings, Ridsdale and co are doing a decent job but the potential is there for more. The least we should expect is a club that tries it's best but it feels like there's another 10 or 20% in there at times and in a game of fine margins that's the frustration.

Hear Hear!!!

 

[Former Member]

Absolutely.

My position is that it's unfair (and probably blinkered and childish) to moan on about the amount of money he puts in. He puts a lot in. An awful lot.

However it's perfectly valid to criticise the way this is spent e.g. the failure to replace Hugill, even with 6 months to do so.

I personally don't really care much about the training ground situation but clearly many do, thats their prerogative. So why the hard headed refusal to provide a proper update? An nnecessary slap in the face to fans who invested their own free time to help get the planning app over the line. Building a training ground is hard, keeping your supporters informed is simple, so why not do it?

Hemmings, Ridsdale and co are doing a decent job but the potential is there for more. The least we should expect is a club that tries it's best but it feels like there's another 10 or 20% in there at times and in a game of fine margins that's the frustration.

Fair point. TH has a track record of only putting money in when things aren't going great. Got a few expensive loans in under Phil Brown, this Jan just gone spending over 2M. The problem is that a target man, Potts and a right back should've been brought in in the summer.

 

[sports rehab]

Now the administrators at Bolton have finalised a short list of 6 buyers, it means there are some possible opportunities for PNE :-

Ken Anderson is free to buy us

Mr Bassini is desperate for a NW club

The Bury owner is looking for a good get out

The Chinese consortium didnt make an offer for Bolton and so could be in the market.

5 of the 6 who have made offers will be disappointed - and even if one decides to buy Bury - it leaves 4 who could take over us..


OR we stick with who and what we know ???????????

 

[Yoowell]

Now the administrators at Bolton have finalised a short list of 6 buyers, it means there are some possible opportunities for PNE :-

Ken Anderson is free to buy us

Mr Bassini is desperate for a NW club

The Bury owner is looking for a good get out

The Chinese consortium didnt make an offer for Bolton and so could be in the market.

5 of the 6 who have made offers will be disappointed - and even if one decides to buy Bury - it leaves 4 who could take over us..


OR we stick with who and what we know ???????????

You’re quite right right to point out what could happen if our club fell into the wrong hands.
However as others have said it’s not a dictatorship and TH shouldn’t be above supporters having the odd pop at him especially with regards to the training ground.

 

[raefil]

Agree. It's well and good saying the £500k+ a month Hemmings puts into the club is chicken feed in comparison to the worth of his overall business empire, but it's still a huge amount of money by anyone's standards. Chucking such vast amounts of cash into a non-profitable 'business' each month is a serious investment/loss even for a billionaire.

We know full well that figure could easily sky rocket after a few poor financial decisions too. That's why, for me, the argument that because Joe Bloggs might invest a greater proportion of his wealth than Hemmings by buying his season ticket for £400, it therefore means Hemmings is not pulling his weight, doesn't really check out. As much as £400 is a lot of money, I don't believe it can be fairly compared with the £6 million season ticket Hemmings commits to paying most seasons.

Hemmings should of course not be immune from criticism. The training ground situation has become a real fiasco. As you say simo, why wouldn't the club clarify the situation? As it looks like the supporters who rallied support for the planning permission have been used, I would fully support JK in directly contacting the club to try and get some answers.

You echo my thoughts exactly, doc.

If the problem for Hemmings is that they cant progress the training ground until the building pockets are sold then i feel he owes the people, like jK, the courtesy of saying so.

 

[Yeti]

We all know his real passion is horses,from which he has reaped a profit.I dare say that some of that profit has been reinvested in PNE. Can you be our future saviour? Or are you living in dreamland like the rest of us?

Are you sure he will have reaped a huge profit from racing. Caught a bit of a program talking about Michael O'Leary's Gigginstown operation which is one of the most successful in racing loses around £2million a year.

 

[Tugg Speedman]

All of it I would say.

You would say we've reinvested over £13 million on players? If you believe that, then can you explain to me where it's been spent.

 

[raefil]

You would say we've reinvested over £13 million on players? If you believe that, then can you explain to me where it's been spent.

Doesnt take much working out, if Hemmings is putting 500k a month in to keep the club afloat.