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Confirmed Statement from 'Peter & Craig"

Confirmed Statement from 'Peter & Craig"

JK said:
Having slept on this I have come to the same train of thought

They don't want to sack him due to the cost but are now looking at replacements for the inevitable.

They obviously believe that having him in charge on Tuesday is better than a caretaker.

I just hope for their sake we don't get pummeled, if we do, it will be a very toxic environment.
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His tactics on Tuesday will be 11 men behind the ball and hope to nick from a set piece.
 
Damp Squib said:
Surely when running a football club you should have a contingency for “unexpected” bills, such as paying off managers/players/staff…

It’s like buying an Aston Martin (in Ryan’s case a 1970s Vantage with a rusty chassis and a mice infested interior - it looks and sounds nice from the outside, but that’s about it) and then not having the coin to put fuel in it.
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Of course....If you have a Manager that is on a one year rolling contract then it stands to reason that you will budget for his sacking each and every year. If you don't then you are an idiot.
 
Schemer said:
Not for the first time, you're missing the point - deliberately I suspect.

It's not the fact that fans are commenting on and questioning his management and tactics - there's nothing wrong with that, as long as it's done respectfully. The point put to him by Bayes was that fans were questioning the identity of his team - it was respectfully put. His response was totally dismissive and disrespectful to fans (and to Bayes).

He could have said 'Fair enough, they're entitled to their opinions, they pay their money, a lot of them follow us all over the country, but I'm doing what I think is best, based on my experience in the game, and I'd just ask them to trust my judgement and bear with me as we're trying to get things right'. Instead, he had a childish hissy fit and managed to turn against him many who had previously supported him.
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Fair enough Schemer.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
Could you tell said professions how to fix all those things without qualifications?

If you started telling a mechanic how to do his job he would tell you to fix it yourself.

That’s the point Lowe was making, without the relevant qualifications, experience and badges most of what fans would say to Lowe would probably be noise.

I know many’s first words would be “we need more goals”, oh thanks mate like we didn’t know that already. How would you do it then? I’d pass it forward more and play more strikers.

If only it was that easy.
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Nobody is telling Lowe how to train the team or how to even manage players. They just want him to play his best team and have a go.

I don't think you need coaching badges, or any type of qualifications to demonstrate why you're not happy.

If you took your car back from a mechanic and it suddenly started running in limp mode, would you be afraid of going back and suggesting he might have made a mistake because you've never worked on a car before?

Can't believe I've got involved in tbis and look forward to you answering a different question and trying to rope me into a continuous back and forth.
 
frogonastick said:
Imagine you take your car to the garage because the Engine Warning Light comes on, the mechanic tells you not to worry he's reset the error, he's got all the qualifications and his idol works on Porsches up in Liverpool and told him once that he was a fan of his mechanical skills. He then charges you £32 and fist pumps as you leave.

You drive away and the following Saturday this happens again and keeps happening, you voice your disgust and suggest to the owner of the garage that his mechanic starts fixing the car rather than resetting the error messages. The owner suggests whilst this is not ideal they will carry on with the mechanic and hope he sorts it out.

You'd probably not be rushing back
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Its a good point but there's a difference between solving an issue on a car and winning football matches and providing entertainment which is entirely subjective.

Fixing a warning light is not.
 
Naughton's moustache said:
See, this is the thing isn't it?!
If we lose yet again on Tuesday, then I want the noise levels of discontent to be at the absolute maximum. To let the club know that it's not just a minority that arn't happy.
Then again, that walk back to the tunnel is a long one for Lowe.
Nobody wants to see anythin untoward goin on or hear anythin that's personal or over the top aimed at him.
Another defeat though an emotions will be running very high, you can guarantee that!
An all this against a club with for me, one of the most arrogant fan bases in the country, which just makes it worse!!!
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Need to make it’s obvious it’s directed at RL and not the players.
 
stf4ever said:
Nobody is telling Lowe how to train the team or how to even manage players. They just want him to play his best team and have a go.

I don't think you need coaching badges, or any type of qualifications to demonstrate why you're not happy.

If you took your car back from a mechanic and it suddenly started running in limp mode, would you be afraid of going back and suggesting he might have made a mistake because you've never worked on a car before?

Can't believe I've got involved in tbis and look forward to you answering a different question and trying to rope me into a continuous back and forth.
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The best team and having a go is subjective though isn't it, for example some posters rate Storey others don't, some posters rate Mads and Osmijic others don't.

Lowe could have a go and it completely backfire and we concede for fun but people will say he didn't have a go or it was the wrong thing to do in hindsight.

I think people sometimes think the game of football is very easy and it's easy to say that sitting in the stands with no experience of doing it.

On your last point I wouldn't no but repairing a car is usually a very straightforward scenario, it either works or doesn't work, the engine is either in limp mode or it isn't. Football isn't as straightforward, there's umpteen variables to consider many of which are subjective unlike a car being in limp mode or not.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
On your last point I wouldn't no but repairing a car is usually a very straightforward scenario, it either works or doesn't work, the engine is either in limp mode or it isn't. Football isn't as straightforward, there's umpteen variables to consider many of which are subjective unlike a car being in limp mode or not.
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You could say the compete opposite and it still be true, for example for football, you either win or you dont so that's pretty straightforward. But with a warning light telling you the fault code of an oxygen sensor, does that mean you need to replace the sensor? Or the catalytic converter? Or something else like a faulty ECU or wiring, is the problem intermittent? Etc
 
Liberation said:
Of course....If you have a Manager that is on a one year rolling contract then it stands to reason that you will budget for his sacking each and every year. If you don't then you are an idiot.
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Agreed.

I find it strange that all clubs don’t have a clause (like) if the team loses x amount of games, or x games in a row, etc. the termination cost of the manager is reduced by X percentage for incompetence.
 
But it would seem he needs a Coach.
Especially to "replace" someone who left months ago due to illness - and for reasons that Ridsdale either hasn't been asked or been evasive when asked ( I don't know) - we didn't have anyone lined-up to replace that Coach - or for all I know haven't even been out looking for one.
Even though it's obvious Schumacher & Lowe were a bit of a partnership 'team' ( & that S. was invited up here to continue that) - I find it strange that Gallagher went as he did ( better money, v.likely ) and that his replacement, Rob Kelly - did NOT have his post held open for him whilst recovering for those few weeks & instead went to..... Rotherham, (FFS ? )
Why has Ridsdale - and Lowe - not thought this was important ?
 
Ron Burgundy said:
Its a good point but there's a difference between solving an issue on a car and winning football matches and providing entertainment which is entirely subjective.

Fixing a warning light is not.
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You were the one who started the mechanic analogy and now it's not the same thing?
 
Sutty said:
Agreed.

I find it strange that all clubs don’t have a clause (like) if the team loses x amount of games, or x games in a row, etc. the termination cost of the manager is reduced by X percentage for incompetence.
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Contracts won't be standard for all Clubs.
Agreed, I don't see why such a clause couldn't be incorporated.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
Its a good point but there's a difference between solving an issue on a car and winning football matches and providing entertainment which is entirely subjective.

Fixing a warning light is not.
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Maybe Ridsdale's just asked Lowe to take the dashboard off & cut the wire to that pesky little red light out.
 
Sutty said:
Agreed.

I find it strange that all clubs don’t have a clause (like) if the team loses x amount of games, or x games in a row, etc. the termination cost of the manager is reduced by X percentage for incompetence.
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Unless it was brought in across the board it would never happen.

You wouldn't get one manager signing up to such a clause.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
The best team and having a go is subjective though isn't it, for example some posters rate Storey others don't, some posters rate Mads and Osmijic others don't.

Lowe could have a go and it completely backfire and we concede for fun but people will say he didn't have a go or it was the wrong thing to do in hindsight.

I think people sometimes think the game of football is very easy and it's easy to say that sitting in the stands with no experience of doing it.

On your last point I wouldn't no but repairing a car is usually a very straightforward scenario, it either works or doesn't work, the engine is either in limp mode or it isn't. Football isn't as straightforward, there's umpteen variables to consider many of which are subjective unlike a car being in limp mode or not.
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Somebody has never worked on a car before 🤣.

I think people prefer to have felt like they've had a go. Picking 9 defensive players and losing by 4 is a recipe for disaster.

The manager has to 'diagnose' where the problems lie within his squad selection, and rectify them. To compare to a mechanic again, it's like saying I'd rather stick with one mechanic who hasn't yet diagnosed the problem and spent a fortune on parts than swap mechanic and possibly have it diagnosed in seconds.

There's no guarantees in life. Whether that be football management or having your car fixed. Some folk are just a bit more willing to gamble when they're fed up.
 
Gee-Pee-Jay said:
We’ll struggle on for the foreseeable future till our ass is touching the bottom 3 sadly most the free agent managers will be taken off the market by then .
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You’d think it a high priority with this current flurry of available managers to get the best one we can signed up before someone else does.

It’s obvious to everyone that Lowe’s completely out of his depth, lost the fans and the players so why waste more time and throw away our best chance of getting a decent manager and points from these next few fixtures?
 
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