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Talentless buffoon

Talentless buffoon

Staffordwhite said:
I'm a big fan of Hugill; gives his all and makes the most of his talent.

Beckford has done nothing since Wembley and simply doesn't deserve another appearance, where his priority will be avoiding injury.

With the PO's now probably beyond us, I'd start to look at next season by giving Stevie May a run of games.

We're never going to find out if he's up to it from the odd late cameo - he needs to start and show what he can do.

Hugill has been a star this season for us - people should remember where he's from, what he cost us and - if worst comes to the worst - what we could sell him for.

Along with Ben Pearson, he's progressed massively this season, while others (DJ) have stood still.
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Probably a good idea to start May for a few games, it would give some on here someone else to target.
 
Thought Barkhuzen was just as poor as JH on Saturday but both have shown their value to the team over the last 6 games. JH will never score 20+ a season but will make chances for others with his bravery. Every goal kick from Maxi is aimed at JH and if our midfield had won the second ball from his knockdowns and pressure on defenders we would have had more of the 1st half. Thought SGs changes worked 2nd half and enjoyed an entertaining game. If Gally hadn't had his knock would like to have seen JB for last 10 just to see if he still has the passion for the team. All in all a great season and Jordan Hugill has played a major part every credit to the lad.
 
Jack Daniels said:
Hugill is ok, nothing more than that to date.

A likeable lad for sure, a grafter too but an out and out goalscorer? I think not.

10 goals is ok but to go Top 6, we have to be far more clinical where it matters and I suspect that due to Hugill having had more game time than the other strikers this season, this is the reason for some peoples displeasure.

For what it's worth, I think Hugill has been off form for the past 7 or 8 games. That is an honest observation, not a slagging off of the lad.

Just as he has scored a couple of great goals - Cardiff (h), Villa (a) - he has equally missed some absolute sitters such as Wolves (h). Praise when it is due, constructive criticism when it is due. My own point of view is that he lacks attacking awareness with his positioning. Saying that, I prefer Hugill to Makienok.

I would like to see Barkhuizen and May start tomorrow night v Bristol City. Time for a tinker up top.
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That's how I see him. I don't think he's as good as some people think he is, I also don't think he's as bad as other people think. I think he's an average player at this level. I think he could be an asset off the bench for last 30 minutes against a tiring defence. But not good enough to be a 1st choice striker right now for a promotion chasing team. A lot of Championship managers may also agree given only Ipswich have bid for him this season.
 
VERNON ALLAT said:
Thought Barkhuzen was just as poor as JH on Saturday but both have shown their value to the team over the last 6 games. JH will never score 20+ a season but will make chances for others with his bravery. Every goal kick from Maxi is aimed at JH and if our midfield had won the second ball from his knockdowns and pressure on defenders we would have had more of the 1st half. Thought SGs changes worked 2nd half and enjoyed an entertaining game. If Gally hadn't had his knock would like to have seen JB for last 10 just to see if he still has the passion for the team. All in all a great season and Jordan Hugill has played a major part every credit to the lad.
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Barkhuizen is wasted at right wing back. He sits too deep.
 
norky84 said:
Barkhuizen is wasted at right wing back. He sits too deep.
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I said this somewhere else. He's wasted there, however there isn't really anyone else who could play that role when Vermijl isn't involved.

On Hugill I don't think anyone would have picked him in their starting XI at the start of the season. However Garner was sold (right decision imo), Beckford has been injured then suspended then poor, May was out, Makienok seemed to take a while to settle in and Doyle was largely shit despite a run of games.

Hugill therefore played more often and to give the lad credit started knocking a few goals in. He took his chance basically when others were doing pretty much fuck all. However let's go back to where most thought he should have been. That's as sub to a firing front 2/3 who could come on and press tiring defenders, or start games when we have a lot in a short period.

With the right recruitment in the summer Hugill will more than likely go back to being what he probably is. Back up.

But there's no need to continually knock the lad or call him a buffoon.
 
Tino said:
I said this somewhere else. He's wasted there, however there isn't really anyone else who could play that role when Vermijl isn't involved.

On Hugill I don't think anyone would have picked him in their starting XI at the start of the season. However Garner was sold (right decision imo), Beckford has been injured then suspended then poor, May was out, Makienok seemed to take a while to settle in and Doyle was largely shit despite a run of games.

Hugill therefore played more often and to give the lad credit started knocking a few goals in. He took his chance basically when others were doing pretty much fuck all. However let's go back to where most thought he should have been. That's as sub to a firing front 2/3 who could come on and press tiring defenders, or start games when we have a lot in a short period.

With the right recruitment in the summer Hugill will more than likely go back to being what he probably is. Back up.

But there's no need to continually knock the lad or call him a buffoon.
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I think that we need a massive shake up on the striker front in the summer.......

Beckford, Doyle, Makieonik, May all to leave ..........

Hugill and Barky to stay and 3 new strikers brought in ....
 
norky84 said:
That's how I see him. I don't think he's as good as some people think he is, I also don't think he's as bad as other people think. I think he's an average player at this level. I think he could be an asset off the bench for last 30 minutes against a tiring defence. But not good enough to be a 1st choice striker right now for a promotion chasing team. A lot of Championship managers may also agree given only Ipswich have bid for him this season.
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Agree with you and JD. The team has moved on considerably over the last twelve months and although Hugill has too, it's hard to imagine him regularly spearheading a play off outfit. Beckford, May, Makienok, Doyle should all go in the summer to make way for one striker of class.

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Doc Brown said:
Garner received nowhere near the quality of service that Hugill has this season.

Hugill has had McGeady, Horgan and laterly Barkhuizen creating chances in the final third as well as the relentless drive of Pearson from deeper midfield. I know it's hypothetical, but I'd wager Garner would have at least matched Hugill's tally of 10 league goals this season had he still been here. Given the service he has received and the game time he has had this season, I'd say Hugill's 10 league goals are the minimum return we should be expecting.
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Well I'd strongly disagree with your comparison, but that's football. Garner just isn't physically strong enough or quick enough for the Championship and he can't bully players like he can in League 1 and the Scottish Prem. Oh did I also mention that his constant diving became extremely irritating??

Back to Hugill, there is much more to come from him. He needs nurturing not criticising.
 
Tugg Speedman said:
Well I'd strongly disagree with your comparison, but that's football. Garner just isn't physically strong enough or quick enough for the Championship and he can't bully players like he can in League 1 and the Scottish Prem. Oh did I also mention that his constant diving became extremely irritating??

Back to Hugill, there is much more to come from him. He needs nurturing not criticising.
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Massive +1.
 
Chill the beans lads. He's out of form at the minute, same as DJ. All players have their spells where performances dip, otherwise he'd be at a top European side by now?

Give him a rest for tonight, we've other strikers in the squad. He'll benefit from a rest and some praise, not slogged and slagged.
 
deepdale207 said:
Wow - I wanted to respond with some aggressive criticism of your intellect but then I thought instead of me stooping to that level, I'd just make some considered points:-

1. I disagree with you calling our current main striker a buffoon - it's disappointing that you feel the need to share your glass-half-empty world as a new thread
2. I thought his control, link up play and heading ability was at times excellent (especially in first 15 minutes)
3. I agree that it was not his best all round game, but I thought Forest defenders nullified him well
4. Have a nice evening, fellow PNE fan, and I challenge you to point out the positives of our main striker after next Tuesdays match on here please?
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This ^^^

Constructive and balanced criticism is one thing but the OP betrays his own shortcomings more than the player he attacks. For me Hugill has had a great season. He has his shortcomings but in addition to bagging more goals than last years departed hero he smashes defenders and runs them ragged. This creates mayhem that our more talented ball players thrive on. He never gives less than 100%.

Mick McCarthy is no mug and is probably a better judge than OP. He bid a lot of money for Jordan in January. Simon Grayson is no mug, particularly with Thommo alongside him. They clearly want to keep Jordan.

Just want to add thanks to Hugill. All you can ask of a player is that, irrespective of abuse from your own supporters, he gives his all for the cause.
 
haggy45 said:
Chill the beans lads. He's out of form at the minute, same as DJ. All players have their spells where performances dip, otherwise he'd be at a top European side by now?

Give him a rest for tonight, we've other strikers in the squad. He'll benefit from a rest and some praise, not slogged and slagged.
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DJ has just had a baby. I am sure there has been a strain on him of late in his personal life, so perhaps that has not helped his performances. He's only human. Watch him flourish now again.
 
Sports Lawyer said:
DJ has just had a baby. I am sure there has been a strain on him of late in his personal life, so perhaps that has not helped his performances. He's only human. Watch him flourish now again.
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Yeah he's already got enough domestic work to do, hence why he never leaves the pitch with a dirty shirt
 
I really don't get the criticism of DJ tbh.

He is a goal scoring midfielder who does score goals when used correctly. He has shown that in the two years he has been here.

Who are people comparing him to from years gone by as a comparative goal scoring midfielder? We've not exactly been blessed with lads who can bag from midfield have we!?
 
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