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Talentless buffoon

Picking on Hugill is getting really tedious.......Especially when the same clots will defend Graysons slow progress/improvement to their last breaths...

Have an opinion by all means but to be so contradictory is ridiculous......... Leave the lad alone .
 
Nishtar36 said:
Fair enough, Hugill does blaze a lot of shots over the bar. Just don't understand why the same few constantly pick up on his negatives, when he's clearly had a good season and has been good for us. He does need a rest though.
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Just to prove I wasn't making it up, here's Hugill and his 42% on target ratio, from the BBC back on January 22nd (the page looks a bit crap because it's from a web archive): https://web.archive.org/web/2017012...co.uk/sport/football/championship/top-scorers

Hugill divides opinion, that's all - which is a good thing for a forum. Last thing we need is some bullshit rule that we can't talk about him except to say how great he is.
 
sedgwick__7 said:
Wasn't surprised to see last night that he is no longer on pens.
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Yeah was good to see McGeady actually want this one, seeing as he's our best player and all that.

Gallagher showed interest which sort of backs up that we don't have a nominated taker and whoever fancys it on the net takes it.
 
Thracia said:
I haven't slated him, I've just suggested we'll need better next season to make the top 6.

What I notice around Hugill on this forum is a kind of "fanboy" culture, whereby (e.g.) Ron can say Hugill wins games for us singlehandedly when he scores, but when he misses sitters it's all about the team and no one player does anything singlehandedly.

I also can't find Nishtar's stat about "shots per goal" on the whoscored website, maybe he can post a link for us all?

Looking at all the stats I have found on the site, Kodjia beats Hugill hands down in virtually all areas, but especially goals scored.
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Never said that or meant it like that.
 
I find the title of this thread and the reference to a lad who gives 100% for the team to be rather offensive. Mick McCarthy will be hoping that he reads this and seeks out of Deepdale.
 
Elwiss said:
I find the title of this thread and the reference to a lad who gives 100% for the team to be rather offensive. Mick McCarthy will be hoping that he reads this and seeks out of Deepdale.
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And then the merry band of thicko numbskulls will get their wish.
 
Elwiss said:
I find the title of this thread and the reference to a lad who gives 100% for the team to be rather offensive. Mick McCarthy will be hoping that he reads this and seeks out of Deepdale.
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Agree with you. Personal insult is unnecessary and out of order. It's very possible to comment on a players performance without getting offensive.
 
Thracia said:
It didn't surprise me that he missed it, let's put it that way.

There's another problem with your stats, which is they don't take into account shots on or off target. Your numbers are basically all shots in total, whether on or off target.

On that same website, you can go Detailed>Sub-category: Accuracy, and see stats for on and off target.

At Villa (I can't be arsed factoring in his Bristol City stats, and you can't just add them together as the whoscored site does), Kodjia had these stats (if we use your back-calculation method, ignore the decimals, this whole approach is a bit messy):

Off target: 38.4 Hit post: 3.2
Blocked: 22.4 On target: 51.2
(And the calculated Total if we add these up is 115.2)

This means we can work out Kodjia's on target ratio (which I assume is on target + blocked shots) = 73.6/115.2 = 63.9% on target, 36.1% off target.

Whereas for Hugill:
Off target: 35.1 Hit post: 0
Blocked: 11.7 On target: 23.4
(And the Total is 70.2)

So Hugill gets 50% of his efforts on target, 50% off target.

Which is why people say (rightly, I think) Hugill is not a clinical finisher.

He shoots (or heads) less often in total, and gets fewer of his efforts on target, compared to Kodjia (and probably a bunch of other strikers in this league). Also he has scored fewer goals, of course.

Using these weird averages and multiplying them up is obviously not very elegant, but the BBC site also has numbers for shots on/off target, and they have Kodjia at 53%, whereas I remember when Hugill used to be on this list, his shots on target ratio was about 40%. So the difference between the players of about 13% is the same at least. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/championship/top-scorers
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Your stats are getting boring now! You spent that much time getting stats together to tell everyone what they already know. We know he is not a clinical finisher and we know he misses chances - again we don't need stats to tell us that (you obviously have too much time on your hands.) What we do know is that he gives defenders a difficult time by his off the ball running and causes problems and makes space for others. Who wants to read through all this bollocks.
 
Liberation said:
Picking on Hugill is getting really tedious.......Especially when the same clots will defend Graysons slow progress/improvement to their last breaths...

Have an opinion by all means but to be so contradictory is ridiculous......... Leave the lad alone .
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Slow progress? Play off challengers within two seasons is no slow progress. You're just a bit upset because you wanted Grayson out in September yet now you have been proven wrong hugely just like marsbar. I mean imagine what position we would be in now had we sacked Grayson then.
 
White123 said:
Your stats are getting boring now! You spent that much time getting stats together to tell everyone what they already know. We know he is not a clinical finisher and we know he misses chances - again we don't need stats to tell us that (you obviously have too much time on your hands.) What we do know is that he gives defenders a difficult time by his off the ball running and causes problems and makes space for others. Who wants to read through all this bollocks.
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I was responding to Nishtar36 posting misleading stats that claimed the exact opposite to the truth (I notice you didn't bawl him out for posting them).

I've posted very reasonably and calmly throughout this thread. It's only the fanboys who get over-excited when their hero is criticised even slightly.
 
At the end of the day, in order to progress we need a better striker.

Hugill has proved this season he can be a handful at this level and he would make a decent 2nd probably 3rd choice striker. He works hard and he has got more goals than expected but overall he's very limited.

If we want to do better next year and we keep hold of McGeady and our attacking options we need someone who can make the most of the creative work rather than Hugill.

At the moment he's pretty ineffective which is down to the fact that he's feeling the pace. The manager should be trying his other options to see if any of them are worth taking through until next season instead.
 
Thracia said:
I was responding to Nishtar36 posting misleading stats that claimed the exact opposite to the truth (I notice you didn't bawl him out for posting them).

I've posted very reasonably and calmly throughout this thread. It's only the fanboys who get over-excited when their hero is criticised even slightly.
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My stats about shots/goal aren't misleading in any way. There's nothing wrong with criticising or defending Hugill, but he has exceeded all the anti Hugill posters' expectations.
 
Nishtar36 said:
My stats about shots/goal aren't misleading in any way. There's nothing wrong with criticising or defending Hugill, but he has exceeded all the anti Hugill posters' expectations.
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They were misleading because they suggested off-target shots are equivalent to on-target shots, when of course they are not, which is very relevant when you're trying to assess how "clinical" a player is.
 
It was the pass from Pearson and the anticipation from Hugill that made the chance though. It was also probably his first touch of the game.

He gives his all every game, it's no coincidence he looks knackered he has to challenge the centre backs every couple of minutes press from the front and hold up the ball. The kick he took in the face on Tuesday says what you need to know about his commitment.

He needs a goal to lift his confidence. At the weekend he seemed played through one on one with the keeper in the second half but went down easily and a bit early. Robinson Barky and Mcgeady in present form would have tried to chip it in first.

Obviously didn't take the penalty for that reason too.
 
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I just think that with this season and 10 goals under his belt, another pre-season, more coaching, extra time on the training pitch like he put in last pre-season he might continue to improve and I really hope he does because of the effort he puts in for the team, he wears his heart on his sleeve and never gives less than 100% I bet he is a dream to play with when he is on song.

So if that makes me a fanboy of Hugill and I should be ostracised for it then so be it, I just prefer to sit in the stands and see players improving and giving everything rather than what the Bristol City lot served up for their fans.

Hugill has improved season on season and quite a lot this season, there is nothing to say he has reached the peak of his development only next season will say that, next season he could improve and go on to score 15-20 goals whilst setting them up and taking the pressure of the rest of the team, I think that role is very important to how we play as a team.

I did chuckle when he managed to trap a goal kick with his head which is probably one of the hardest skills to do and then he dribbled it out of play when under no pressure.

Prove your doubters wrong Jordan, you have been doing since you poured your last pint.
 
White123 said:
Slow progress? Play off challengers within two seasons is no slow progress. You're just a bit upset because you wanted Grayson out in September yet now you have been proven wrong hugely just like marsbar. I mean imagine what position we would be in now had we sacked Grayson then.
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You have a point there , massive steps forward this year for me so going in the right direction .... don't forget that Libs watches games from his bedsit these days 🙂
 
White123 said:
Slow progress? Play off challengers within two seasons is no slow progress. You're just a bit upset because you wanted Grayson out in September yet now you have been proven wrong hugely just like marsbar. I mean imagine what position we would be in now had we sacked Grayson then.
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He's been here four years and we've gone up a division..Stop wetting your panties........We've a good team though. Vastly improved this year.
 
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