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That save

edgy said:
He has cost us two goals as a minimum this season
His distribution has been questionable at best
His decision making has been erratic

Rudd is simply a better keeper all round.............
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He cost us at Fulham but which other are you talking about?
 
Oldbutnotdone said:
Ha you are quoting commentary from last night!

I had to listen in last night sadly. What stood out was the embarrassing way The commentator (mike Clark is it???) was all over Rudd even misquoted stuff.

The reason I know you listened in (my absolute pet hate posters who post opinion based on pundits) is because big mention was made about Rudd using his left foot and how it reached over the half way line.

If you saw the games for yourself you would understand what some posters are saying and not rely on the questionable agenda of the commentator on the radio.
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Row 14 of the IP last night mate, as I have been since it opened and many years before from row 19 in the STFS. Haven't missed a home game for 4 years now. So you stick to listening from your armchair and I'll continue to make my own mind up from watching the matches live as I have done from the 80's. But cheers for the response.
 
mozzchops said:
He cost us at Fulham but which other are you talking about?
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I like Maxwell but there's been other mistakes.

Stepping the wrong way on a free-kick at Ipswich away, putting us behind just before half-time by allowing Waghorn to just pass it in, is just one example.

We need two decent keepers, so when one of them gets in the team they know if they make a few mistakes they're back on the bench.
 
mozzchops said:
He cost us at Fulham but which other are you talking about?
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Birmingham - his fault but hey ho

Good bad or indifferent he wasnt dropped just for the fun of it - some seem to like the storming out of the box approach and "sweeper keeper" but as member of the goalkeepers union I would prefer to see the basics done well resulting in the confidence of your back 4
 
edgy said:
Birmingham - his fault but hey ho

Good bad or indifferent he wasnt dropped just for the fun of it - some seem to like the storming out of the box approach and "sweeper keeper" but as member of the goalkeepers union I would prefer to see the basics done well resulting in the confidence of your back 4
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The Number 1 basic surely is to command your box? It takes the pressure off the whole team and results in " confidence of the back 4 "..... Nash and Herman are the only two I can recall doing it before Maxwell.. Hell, I'm disagreeing again with the same geezer who thought Parkin was shite......... 🙄
 
1 clean sheet in 11 needs improving. In fairness the most we've conceded in that spell is 1 per match so we're not far off. It might need a few 1-0's between now and the end of the season.
 
edgy said:
Birmingham - his fault but hey ho

Good bad or indifferent he wasnt dropped just for the fun of it - some seem to like the storming out of the box approach and "sweeper keeper" but as member of the goalkeepers union I would prefer to see the basics done well resulting in the confidence of your back 4
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As a member of the goalkeepers union too, it's vital to give your defence confidence and take the pressure off them by coming off your line, claiming cross and through balls and directing them - not standing meekly on your line and allowing them to cope with everything by themselves. The reason Maxwell got dropped wasn't because he was doing those things but because he stopped doing them well due to form. As we all know though, form is temporary.
 
Tino said:
1 clean sheet in 11 needs improving. In fairness the most we've conceded in that spell is 1 per match so we're not far off. It might need a few 1-0's between now and the end of the season.
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I agree that you can look at it like that, and this is not to denigrate Rudd at the expense of advancing Maxwell's cause, but there were many recent draws amongst that range of games (1 clean sheet in 11). Statistics are as useful as a "lampost to a drunk", I know, but you can equally say that some of those "1 goal per match" conceded, merely allowed us to claim one point instead of three. In some of those draws, the team was well on top after all, and merited three points. If I recall correctly, I'm sure that in Rudd's previous stint with North End, under that caterpillar brain GW, his record of clean sheets was much more to the fore.
 
The truth is there is very little to choose between Maxwell and Rudd. I think Maxwell might have stood his ground and saved the penalty that Aston Villa scored against us a few weeks ago, but Rudd made some fine saves last night.
 
Well I think they are both talented keepers. Being honest though, Rudd is the more steady keeper and I feel safer with him in goal. Maxwell is the more dynamic of the two and provides great entertainment though I am nervous on every attack. I would love both to stay they are both good in their own right but completely opposite in approach.
 
Joanpne said:
Well I think they are both talented keepers. Being honest though, Rudd is the more steady keeper and I feel safer with him in goal. Maxwell is the more dynamic of the two and provides great entertainment though I am nervous on every attack. I would love both to stay they are both good in their own right but completely opposite in approach.
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This is my view exactly. Maxwell causes too many heart in mouth moments for my liking.
 
Tino said:
1 clean sheet in 11 needs improving. In fairness the most we've conceded in that spell is 1 per match so we're not far off. It might need a few 1-0's between now and the end of the season.
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HeyshamWhite said:
As a member of the goalkeepers union too, it's vital to give your defence confidence and take the pressure off them by coming off your line, claiming cross and through balls and directing them - not standing meekly on your line and allowing them to cope with everything by themselves. The reason Maxwell got dropped wasn't because he was doing those things but because he stopped doing them well due to form. As we all know though, form is temporary.
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WADSH said:
I agree that you can look at it like that, and this is not to denigrate Rudd at the expense of advancing Maxwell's cause, but there were many recent draws amongst that range of games (1 clean sheet in 11). Statistics are as useful as a "lampost to a drunk", I know, but you can equally say that some of those "1 goal per match" conceded, merely allowed us to claim one point instead of three. In some of those draws, the team was well on top after all, and merited three points. If I recall correctly, I'm sure that in Rudd's previous stint with North End, under that caterpillar brain GW, his record of clean sheets was much more to the fore.
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I'm sure you lads will agree that accrediting clean sheets to the Goalkeeper alone is utter tripe.
 
I prefer Maxwell, I like the entertainment factor he adds with his crazy runs out of the area.
 
Liberation said:
The Number 1 basic surely is to command your box? It takes the pressure off the whole team and results in " confidence of the back 4 "..... Nash and Herman are the only two I can recall doing it before Maxwell.. Hell, I'm disagreeing again with the same geezer who thought Parkin was shite......... 🙄
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Thought - past tense
Thinks - present tense
and he is far worse than your naughty S word
Ouch
I have bitten again

PS - disagree all you wish, it will only be a matter of time before you naturally come round to my opinion
 
HeyshamWhite said:
As a member of the goalkeepers union too, it's vital to give your defence confidence and take the pressure off them by coming off your line, claiming cross and through balls and directing them - not standing meekly on your line and allowing them to cope with everything by themselves. The reason Maxwell got dropped wasn't because he was doing those things but because he stopped doing them well due to form. As we all know though, form is temporary.
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Totally agree - a good example in the 2nd half from Rudd just forward of the 6 yard box tipping a cross to one side at height then claiming the ball to the floor
 
edgy said:
Totally agree - a good example in the 2nd half from Rudd just forward of the 6 yard box tipping a cross to one side at height then claiming the ball to the floor
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Which he does too infrequently, unfortunately. I don't dislike Rudd, he's a decent keeper and on current form he's deservedly got the gloves, but his weakness is an important one and I'd wager he isn't our long term custodian.
 
Liberation said:
I'm sure you lads will agree that accrediting clean sheets to the Goalkeeper alone is utter tripe.
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I don't think clean sheets are solely due to the skill of a goalkeeper no, but it's a proficiency worth considering in comparing the qualities of Rudd and Maxwell (who are both very good Championship players, and PNE are lucky to have both). Perhaps if you compare their relative performances and statistics whilst playing behind the same (mostly) defence, it will allow you to come to a decent comparison. So far it would appear that Maxwell is more successful in that regard.
 
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