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This Rudd v Maxwell thing...

This Rudd v Maxwell thing...

Mer5eywhite

Mer5eywhite

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First of all, I'm actually of the opinion that there isn't a great deal of difference in their overall quality, the real differences are in their styles and strengths and weaknesses. This is not a player-bashing thread.

That said, I think we conceded a goal yesterday from a situation that was very similar to two opportunities Leeds had on Tuesday night. On those occasions we got away with it. Yesterday we didn't.

Rudd stayed on his line and has a tendency to do so.

With Rudd I think we will concede more penalties because staying on your line forces the defender to stop the striker from reaching the ball coming in. We will also conceded more goals like yesterday's.

With Maxwell we will probably concede more goals due to gaffes, where Maxwell comes out confidently and makes a misjudgement.

I like them both, I just think we probably need to accept their weaknesses and acknowledge the fact that there isn't much between them.
 
Next question then is which suits our style of play better? Since chopping and changing game-by-game isn't ideal.
 
Mer5eywhite said:
First of all, I'm actually of the opinion that there isn't a great deal of difference in their overall quality, the real differences are in their styles and strengths and weaknesses. This is not a player-bashing thread.

That said, I think we conceded a goal yesterday from a situation that was very similar to two opportunities Leeds had on Tuesday night. On those occasions we got away with it. Yesterday we didn't.

Rudd stayed on his line and has a tendency to do so.

With Rudd I think we will concede more penalties because staying on your line forces the defender to stop the striker from reaching the ball coming in. We will also conceded more goals like yesterday's.

With Maxwell we will probably concede more goals due to gaffes, where Maxwell comes out confidently and makes a misjudgement.

I like them both, I just think we probably need to accept their weaknesses and acknowledge the fact that there isn't much between them.
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It's great to have 2 decent keepers imo.
 
I agree but I think unforced gaffes by Maxwell make him slightly the weaker keeper.

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Mer5eywhite said:
First of all, I'm actually of the opinion that there isn't a great deal of difference in their overall quality, the real differences are in their styles and strengths and weaknesses. This is not a player-bashing thread.

That said, I think we conceded a goal yesterday from a situation that was very similar to two opportunities Leeds had on Tuesday night. On those occasions we got away with it. Yesterday we didn't.

Rudd stayed on his line and has a tendency to do so.

With Rudd I think we will concede more penalties because staying on your line forces the defender to stop the striker from reaching the ball coming in. We will also conceded more goals like yesterday's.

With Maxwell we will probably concede more goals due to gaffes, where Maxwell comes out confidently and makes a misjudgement.

I like them both, I just think we probably need to accept their weaknesses and acknowledge the fact that there isn't much between them.
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I wonder if AN is not totally convinced by either of them and may want to bring someone else in for next season?
 
I think Neil is unsure, however I think dropping Rudd the other week was a mistake.

Now is not the time to start swapping them about. Stick with Rudd until the end of the season, however long that may be.
 
someone said something on another thread re conceding from set pieces. Id never actually considered this but it makes a lot of sense.

Weve conceded more since january, this coincides with the sale of Hugill. Looking back he was a very big presence in defending them.

As for the keepers, weve got 2 very decent ones.
 
I doubt we would be able to bring in better keepers without spending serious moolah .To be fair think both our keepers are good and to bring in someone better you'd be talking Ruddy or Sam Johnstone which I doubt we could afford.

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I think with a minute to go and under pressure, conceding a corner, I would want Maxwell in nets.

I think that if we were a goal up and looking comfortable, I might want Rudd in nets because with Maxwell we may gift an opportunity if he does something daft.
 
I think our defenders are more confident when they know Maxwell has their backs. Rudd good shot stopper and catches well and not much wrong with distribution, but my vote is maxwell
 
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I think our defenders are more confident when they know Maxwell has their backs. Rudd good shot stopper and catches well and not much wrong with distribution, but my vote is maxwell
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Maxwell when on form maybe, just maybe but his form dropped off in a couple of games and Rudd was rightly given the opportunity. However, I think if the striker had connected against Leeds and then with the goal yesterday Neil might have dropped Rudd next game. He doesn't seem to be very forgiving.
 
It was on Twitter yesterday that we average 1.5 points a league game when Maxwell is in goals. We average 1.62 points a league game when Rudd is in goals.

They're both good keepers, both with different strengths and weaknesses. If we could mould them together they would be the perfect keeper.

I thought it was a mistake bringing in Maxwell for 1 game, then being dropped straight away. We need to stick with the same keeper for the rest of the season now.
 
People keep banging on about mistakes that Maxwell has made, but you could count them on one hand. He’s kept 12 clean sheets which is good going for the amount of games he’s played. Rudd gave himself no chance of saving the QPR goal by staying on his line. That said, I agree with JK and now is not the time to keep chopping and changing and should stick with Rudd until the end of the season.
 
#goalkeeperunion

AN has created the Maxwell v Rudd thing and the local media have put copious amounts of fuel on the fire. This is pure scapegoat tactics from the manager which I find very very disappointing.

Yet again I find myself wading into the debate on Maxwell's side. This is in no way a reflection on Rudd it's simply me passing comment on some wide if the mark stuff aimed at maxwell. AN wants this pointing the finger stuff, he is managing his own position with us all and doing a bloody good job of it to.

Maxwell errors from a goalkeeper perspective leaves only the last minuite goal at Fulham. Had he punched rather than try and catch which he missed by a matter of inches then we would not even be having this debate. You may have seen the still photos the Fulham lad had his arms across maxwell's chest and his head into his arm. Still should have punched for safety's sake.

The other two occasions where AN has firmly scapegoated him are -

1) Birmingham 1-1 Huntington was at fault here and did not deal with a pass that a championship player should have been asking for during the last moments of the game to keep possession never mind messing up. Absolutely maxwell could have hoofed it up field or even out of play and take a chance on possession. Hunts is an AN favourite and dodged a bullet.

2) Derby 0-1 yes on most days maxwell is more than able to make this save. It was however a stinker of a shot, he got down to it and got a decent hand on it but was unfortunately unable to deflect it sufficiently to get to around the post. It is becoming all to often a default for viewers/commentators to put blame on a keeper after getting a hand on a shot only to be thrashed for a mistake. Lesser keepers get off scot free by not even bothering to make the dive. Barky dodged a bullet on this occasion.

I expect one keeper to leave for AN to bring in his own player. It seems he prefers a keeper to be safe at all costs. At some stage safety is actually a lesser performance.

I feel for both lads in this scenario because I think who stays is going to get the bum deal in the end. Rudd for me is a better number two than maxwell because his style is more measured and would not disrupt the team structure over a short period.
 
Rudd is the better stopper but not by much. Maxwell brings more to the side with his sweeping up and command of his area.

It's all well and good citing Fulham as a point against Maxwell but he's won us more points. Remember Leeds away? Go watch the highlights. He singlehandedly kept us in the game.

I don't hold Derby at home against him. Watching the goal you can see the Derby player in the wall peeling off at the last second, allowing the ball to pass staright through and low, leaving Maxwell unsighted. It was a strong deception and not indicative of his ability.
 
Maxwell every day of the week for me. But I don’t dislike Rudd, and as been stated on here numerous times, there isn’t much between them. Can’t see why either would want to leave and probably push each other, knowing there’s an able deputy waiting in the wings.
 
Maxwell every day of the week for me. But I don’t dislike Rudd, and as been stated on here numerous times, there isn’t much between them. Can’t see why either would want to leave and probably push each other, knowing there’s an able deputy waiting in the wings.
 
I think we've got two very good keepers for this level of football. If one got injured/suspended, it wouldn't be a major problem, when the likes of Kirkland, Jones, Simonsen etc were called upon. I prefer Maxwell, due to his command of the penalty area and his anticipation/reading of the game, but, Rudd is a very able keeper in his own right.
 
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