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Farmboy

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Can’t stand it, other teams do it, but have noticed we have started to get quite proficient at it as well, I think it was after we scored our second goal, one of our players (think it was Pearson) toe poked the ball back into our penalty area, just to the side of the six yard box, Maxwell knew it was there but made no attempt to get it back to the centre circle for a good 30/40 seconds, he did nothing till the ref gave him a wake up call.
Do these players know what pathetic morons they look like when they get up to these antics ? Do they think it makes them look cool ?
I don’t pay good money to watch negative childish behaviour, GROW UP !
 
Farmboy said:
Can’t stand it, other teams do it, but have noticed we have started to get quite proficient at it as well, I think it was after we scored our second goal, one of our players (think it was Pearson) toe poked the ball back into our penalty area, just to the side of the six yard box, Maxwell knew it was there but made no attempt to get it back to the centre circle for a good 30/40 seconds, he did nothing till the ref gave him a wake up call.
Do these players know what pathetic morons they look like when they get up to these antics ? Do they think it makes them look cool ?
I don’t pay good money to watch negative childish behaviour, GROW UP !
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We complain when other sides do it and don't mind when our team does it if it helps see out a win. Time wasting, gamesmanship, call it what you want, those extra few seconds could be the difference between big win bonuses, losing or keeping your job or paying your mortgage that week. So it will always happen.
I don't like it either FWIW.
 
Makes me laugh when one team has been time wasting, then they go behind, they soon cut it out and start running after the ball like their lives depend on it, hilarious !
 
More and more people talk about “game management”. Part of this is clearly testing the patience of referees by pushing the time taken out of the game by delaying set pieces and maximising injuries.

After the first goal yesterday I wondered, based on recent form, how long it might be before we conceded. We took our time firstly with the celebration as is the norm, unless you need another goal. We had a player go down and stay down and rushed nothing for the next 10 minutes.

The ref can add time on and he added 11 minutes in total today I think.

When we do it I don’t mind but if it’s the opposition I am far from happy.

Possible ways to reduce it could be refs adding even more time on but this could get silly. Taking the time issue away from the ref with the clock stopping when the ball is not in play, but we might have to move down from 90 minutes as a starter for game length.

Some sort of sin bin for two minor bookings allowing refs to penalise time wasting.

Allowing players to be treated whilst play goes on
 
Fisher our worst culprit, I agree with OP it's a pretty sad part of modern football. Problem is its so endemic that we would be doing ourselves down by not partaking. We would need to be better in other areas than all the other teams to be able to give up on doing it.
 
There's a lot to be said for stopping the clock at dead ball times. I read that in the Cardiff Burnley game the ball was only in play for 43 minutes. One of the Cardiff players took 8 minutes alone with his long throwins
 
BARE LANE WHITE said:
More and more people talk about “game management”. Part of this is clearly testing the patience of referees by pushing the time taken out of the game by delaying set pieces and maximising injuries.

After the first goal yesterday I wondered, based on recent form, how long it might be before we conceded. We took our time firstly with the celebration as is the norm, unless you need another goal. We had a player go down and stay down and rushed nothing for the next 10 minutes.

The ref can add time on and he added 11 minutes in total today I think.

When we do it I don’t mind but if it’s the opposition I am far from happy.

Possible ways to reduce it could be refs adding even more time on but this could get silly. Taking the time issue away from the ref with the clock stopping when the ball is not in play, but we might have to move down from 90 minutes as a starter for game length.

Some sort of sin bin for two minor bookings allowing refs to penalise time wasting.

Allowing players to be treated whilst play goes on
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Or, as in american college soccer and Rugby league, a seperate time keeper. Ref makes a signal and time is stopped immediately and only restarted when the ball is put back into play.
 
BARE LANE WHITE said:
More and more people talk about “game management”. Part of this is clearly testing the patience of referees by pushing the time taken out of the game by delaying set pieces and maximising injuries.

After the first goal yesterday I wondered, based on recent form, how long it might be before we conceded. We took our time firstly with the celebration as is the norm, unless you need another goal. We had a player go down and stay down and rushed nothing for the next 10 minutes.

The ref can add time on and he added 11 minutes in total today I think.

When we do it I don’t mind but if it’s the opposition I am far from happy.

Possible ways to reduce it could be refs adding even more time on but this could get silly. Taking the time issue away from the ref with the clock stopping when the ball is not in play, but we might have to move down from 90 minutes as a starter for game length.

Some sort of sin bin for two minor bookings allowing refs to penalise time wasting.

Allowing players to be treated whilst play goes on
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It will happen and players will try it on as much as they can. It's up to the referee to be stronger by not just adding time on but booking players. The referee against West Brom put up with it for ages from Johnstone before finally booking him.
 
That would be quite interesting. Stop the clock EVERY time the ball isn't in play and see how much game-time there actually is. Bit like the NFL. But then a 90min game could easily convert into a 3hr one.
 
Norts 1531 said:
That would be quite interesting. Stop the clock EVERY time the ball isn't in play and see how much game-time there actually is. Bit like the NFL. But then a 90min game could easily convert into a 3hr one.
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This already happens. Think the average “in play” time is only around 55-60 mins.
 
Is it cheating? It’s certainly “game management” and has gone one for as long as I can remember. Had we implemented this last Tuesday against Villa we might well have won that game. Swings and roundabouts- if your side is ahead you don’t mind, but when the side is behind it drives you nuts.

There are studies indicating that the ball is in play for as little as 48 mins, so a separate time keeper might well be an idea. The ref supposedly does add on time but this is a bit arbitrary.
 
I appreciate your comments and have some simpathy.

But........

Game management is way more subtle than just time wasting.

It's about helping the team's emotional efforts.
It's about giving some lads a breather.
It's about letting some lads have some recovery time from a knock.
It's about managing the tempo of the game.
It's time to refocus and go again.

It's also about messing with the heads of the opposing team, fans and manager.

This is vital for an inexperienced team or a team with lads who can't think for themselves. Yesterday was game management and not running down the clock.
 
Maxwell getting his boot stuck in the side netting then pretending he couldn't get it out was quite funny.
Don't agree with it in general ,would rather win playing fair.
 
I think our problem is that when we do it, it’s just too obvious that we’re time wasting. In most cases, they don’t need to do half of it, because they’re good enough to manage a game without silly time wasting tactics.
 
A massive problem has been the way we concede each time we score.

We all know this.

The way we slowed the game down after each goal we scored yesterday was one of the highlights for me. Proper smart football thinking.

You can call it time wasting if you want.

For me, it felt like we played with the kind of a maturity that our young squad has struggled with this year.

Crucially, we played with our heads as well as our hearts. And it was very easy on the eye too.

More of the same please.
 
I didn't see much of it yesterday, but the referee added 15 minutes ish onto the game yesterday, 5 (7) in the First and the rest in the second half. So if we was guilty all it did was added time on.
 
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