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joycey

joycey

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Was just thinking that I have not heard anything recently about the New proposed training ground , forgive me if I have already missed a post.
 
northender1881;n3425439 said:
The sceptic in me leads me to think it will not be happening.

Fear we have all been had.
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If work doesnt start this Spring then I think fair questions need to be asked.
 
Absolutley reafil.

I can't claim planning laws, etc are my strong suit, however, am I right in thinking that work HAS to start by a certain date, or else the planning permission for the Training Ground lapses?

I'm sure from other TG threads that there are some members who have some decent knowledge on this subject.
 
northender1881;n3425444 said:
Absolutley reafil.

I can't claim planning laws, etc are my strong suit, however, am I right in thinking that work HAS to start by a certain date, or else the planning permission for the Training Ground lapses?

I'm sure from other TG threads that there are some members who have some decent knowledge on this subject.
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Planning Permission conditions usually state a commencement date within 3 years of approval date. We deal with plenty of expired approvals and simply reapply ( the principle of development has been established ) - application fees apply.

All this assumes the Training Ground is a stand alone approval and not linked to a trigger of house completions.
 
Its very feasible that the club are still working through the many conditions attached to the approval. These things can take a while to sort out for a development of this size and type.

Its also very feasible that Mr Hemmings has done us like kippers.

I suppose it depends on how cynical you are...
 
Can one of the mods merge this thread with the last thread on Ingolgate....nothing’s changed it’s not happening Gerry.
 
It all seems a lot of bovver to get approval for those 45 houses! Small fry for a major league national housebuilder.
I'm hoping that the development will go ahead to continue to attract better players. Springfields is good but it isn't Premier League and the university isn't ours.
 
Wasn't the main approval for several hundred houses? This is a separate application. Fellows are a local family company based in Whittle but Cleator are Jersey based so possibly one of Hemmings' offshore companies.
 
Schemer;n3425488 said:
Wasn't the main approval for several hundred houses? This is a separate application. Fellows are a local family company based in Whittle but Cleator are Jersey based so possibly one of Hemmings' offshore companies.
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Nope it's privately run since 1947 from a shed, now considerably bigger but no mention of the words Hemmings PNE Trev or IOM.🙂
 
Schemer;n3425488 said:
Wasn't the main approval for several hundred houses? This is a separate application. Fellows are a local family company based in Whittle but Cleator are Jersey based so possibly one of Hemmings' offshore companies.
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this isn't a new application just the detailed version for this plot.
"Reserved matters application (namely appearance, landscaping, layout, scale) pursuant to outline application 06/2017/0757 for 45no. dwellings"

Cleator Manor Ltd are the landowners for Ingol Golf Course.......
 
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You have to wonder what new signings are being told about it.

I think the situation needs to be watched very closely over the next few months.

The owner has to be held to account if we start to see signs of him trying to squirm out of building it. When the fans are involved and support a project like this, on the specific promise of a new training ground being built, then it must happen.
 
Did I not read somewhere that the planning permission is such that he cannot build the houses until the training ground is built?
 
kbd_pne;n3425511 said:
You have to wonder what new signings are being told about it.

I think the situation needs to be watched very closely over the next few months.

The owner has to be held to account if we start to see signs of him trying to squirm out of building it. When the fans are involved and support a project like this, on the specific promise of a new training ground being built, then it must happen.
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Theres no legal or binding contract between the fans who supported the application and the developer - it doesn't need to happen, he cant be held to account.

Now whats for tea ? Hmmmm IOM kippers - lovely.
 
paddysr;n3425522 said:
Did I not read somewhere that the planning permission is such that he cannot build the houses until the training ground is built?
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I m still not sure whether the training ground was a stand alone approval with no ties to houses.Or whether it was indeed linked to house completions.

What usually happens when a large housing development is linked to another facility ie a mixed use - then a condition is attached which gives a trigger on house completions. The developer is given he opportunity to build say 100 houses ( giving him some income to finance the training ground / leisure centre/ school etc ) - the non housing must then be completed prior to commencement of the balance of houses.

Quite simply its to stop developers getting approval for housing with a nice juicy carrot of a school or leisure centre .......... then buggering off when all the houses are built.

Of course if the training ground is indeed stand alone then there is no trigger and it doesn't actually have to be built.
 
pnematic;n3425523 said:
Theres no legal or binding contract between the fans who supported the application and the developer - it doesn't need to happen, he cant be held to account.

Now whats for tea ? Hmmmm IOM kippers - lovely.
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I wasn’t talking about the law. Morally though it’s totally wrong and no way to run a club, if it turns out to be the case. Obviously I hope it’s built but I just can’t see that happening.

paddysr;n3425522 said:
Did I not read somewhere that the planning permission is such that he cannot build the houses until the training ground is built?
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I though the applications had been separated.
 
I'm stuck trying to understand why the land was gifted to PNE (the club) but work hasn't started. Anyone know what the logjam is ?

Is it FFP rules ?
 
paddysr;n3425522 said:
Did I not read somewhere that the planning permission is such that he cannot build the houses until the training ground is built?
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That's what you should have read but I think the opposite was done... They were seperated which rang a few alarm bells at the time...and rightly so.
 
kbd_pne;n3425528 said:
I wasn’t talking about the law. Morally though it’s totally wrong and no way to run a club, if it turns out to be the case. Obviously I hope it’s built but I just can’t see that happening.



I though the applications had been separated.
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I agree with you pal but morals and business arent good bedfellows.
 
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