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Is now a very important match because it is where we have to put out a side that reflects our best possible set of options and which can hopefully make the selection for the next and succeeding matches more successful - it could be the pivot point for the season. Any idea of a 'second string' side has to be junked.

Now let's try to work out how we have got where we are. We coped quite well in the first three league game without Maguire and Bodin because we kept the shape we would have used had they been available and apart from the first half at Swansea where we seemed to be overawed by their recent Premiership status played well enough to have got more points than we did. Then the wheels fell off at Norwich in league games at least and apart from the first half hour or so against Bolton, the same against Reading and 15 minutes in the second half yesterday we have floundered.

Have we 'suddenly' become a poor team or have previously good players 'suddenly' become poor ones? Contrary to what some people seem to believe both those things can happen and they quite frequently do in a new season to teams and players who have just missed out in the previous one. One of SG's unremarked achievements was to maintain momentum after we just missed out in 14. I think something of that sort has happened to an extent with some of our players but just as a team's performances can suddenly flip from good to bad they can do so the opposite way as well. There has been just enough in recent weeks - the League Cup performance at Leeds and our second half goal flurry yesterday - to suggest that we can do that as well.

What went wrong at Norwich was easy to see from the kick-off - AN's decision to cope with Gallagher's suspension by adopting a flat 4.4.2 with Browne and Pearson in the centre and Barkhuizen and Barker hugging the flanks. Only Pearson looked at all at home in that formation otherwise Browne seemed hamstrung and two of them together could not provide any real creativity while Barker and Barkhuizen - when he can be bothered - need more freedom to roam to be effective. Meanwhile at Derby Browne's absence robbed us of experience though having reverted to our normal shape we at least had a bit of movement and purpose till they scored. At Leeds in the league and yesterday we tried to stifle things by going five at the back and though we hung on in both cases for a while it was only a question of time before we conceded because we simply lacked the ability to exert any consistent pressure on our opponents in their half.

In short and this has to be said AN's decisions to try to counter the absence of key players by improvising formations that were unfamiliar to the players he did have available simply did not work. Yes he had bad luck when Pearson, Browne and Ledson were all unavailable at the same time but he was still guilty of rank bad management.

Now what about particular players:

*Clarke and Huntington have not become liabilities. The still have useful attributes - strength and determination in Clarke's case, and an ability to get between ball and goal in Huntington's. But they have both been becoming visibly that bit slower and less mobile over at least the last 12 months and maybe there has been a slight step change downwards in both their cases since last season - frankly I think there has. Playing both of them together makes us very leaden at the back and we have to avoid that if we can. There is still a case for having one or the other in a matchday squad and there may be times when in an otherwise more mobile defence there will be a case for starting one of them. But perhaps change is now needed. Maybe come January at least one of them should be offloaded to allow for a younger recruit to be brought in - both would still be outstanding a division lower.
*Gallagher has been a massive disappointment this season. You would not expect him to run all over the pitch for 90 minutes but the case for giving him another 12 months was that he could provide a bit of guile and also some leadership for our younger players. He has failed to do that. More than that he was guilty of an act of utter crassness against Stoke that not only got him suspended but led directly to AN's decision to cope by altering the basic structure of the side. At the moment the decision to extend his contract is looking like a triumph of sentiment over sense.
*Barkhuizen apart from odd flashes just looks a shadow of his former self. It reminds me of the way Chaplow played after he came back from injury. I have no idea why this is the case. I still think that Barkhuizen can again become a real threat but there is a problem there - he looks demotivated. I just do not understand why this should be the case but right now there is simply no case for starting him.

So how do we get out of this situation?

As I've indicated I think we need to revert to our proven formation and get a bit more pace in defence. Basically that has to mean a defence of:

Maxwell

Fisher, Storey, Davies, Earl or Hughes

The Earl/Hughes decision is a tough one. Hughes looks a useful acquisition but as I've said before I think Earl ultimately has a bit more class. But with one or the other starting and the one left out on the bench plus one or other of Clarke and Huntington in reserve then that is the best we can manage at the moment.

That leaves six outfield places and based on performances this season five players select themselves automatically. They are I would say Pearson, Browne, Johnson, Robinson and Barker. If Maguire was available and at his best then he would select himself as well and we would have a front six of:

Pearson, Johnson

Barker, Browne, Robinson

Maguire


Well apart from Maguire we can do all those things now. If we do then we might be well clear of the lower reaches of the table by the time the New Year arrives. Obviously we need to do something in the meantime to compensate for Maguire's absence - there are only two options either play Moult upfront or move Robinson upfront and use someone else in the midfield in his place in which case I think Harrop given a roving role would be the best option. An alternative might be Johnson operating from - note I said from not on because he is not a winger - a tucked-in position on one side of the 3 with Ledson alongside Pearson. I thought Ledson looked promising yesterday - he played some good long range passes from deep and showed willing to put himself about. Yes he needs more experience but as well as being a back-up for Pearson he could also be a more defensive foil for him than Johnson might be if required.

Anyhow there we are. Both the season and AN's managership are now in balance. I have no idea what will happen but what does seem certain is that wrenching the basic formation of the team out of shape and persisting with obviously out-of-form players is a surefire recipe for disaster. It is a disaster that has not yet happened but if AN persists with his failed tactics of the last several games it will do. But it is not inevitable and need not happen if AN makes some very basic decisions now and sticks with them.
 
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IMO the midfield of Pearson and Johnson sitting, with Browne in front of them pressing was our best midfield trio 12 months ago, and still is now.
 
Its a tough one, he's got players hurt by previous results and in the previous rounds he's changed most of the team and had motivated lads trying to gain a place in the side, unfortunately for Neil that trick will only work a couple of times if you drop those lads that have played well in the next match like he has done after the previous two rounds.
 
I agree Tuesday allows the manager to get back to the shape that served us well last season. Play the time intended for the West Brom game and take off the three most important players in the last half hour Robinson Pearson and one other.

Winning the game is important but I agree with the OP it is a chance to put things in place to improve our league form.

Ideally boro will put out more of a second string than us and if we play well with our new first 11 for an hour we can take that into the next match.
 
IMO the midfield of Pearson and Johnson sitting, with Browne in front of them pressing was our best midfield trio 12 months ago, and still is now.

Agreed. I do have a feeling that many of our footballing problems run deeper than team selection - but getting it right in the first place would be a helpful start!
 
The complete lack of effort in the first half yesterday made my decision to not bother on Tuesday. I can accept getting beat through lack of ability or even lack of confidence, but lack of effort....no. I expect way more of players like Clarke and Huntington but that first goal was beyond a joke. When your senior leaders are throwing the towel in, you have to be concerned. Much to fix.
 
Fisher is suspended for this one.

Maxwell
Clarke
Hunts
Davies
Earl
Pearson
Ledson
Barker
Browne
Robinson
Nmecha
 
Maxwell

Clarke
Huntington
Storey (if fit)
Earl

Pearson
Ledson

Barker
Johnson
Robinson

Nmecha



Browne played a lot at Leeds when not fully fit, then a full 90 yesterday. I wouldn’t start him in this one.
 
Fisher is suspended for this one.

Maxwell
Clarke
Hunts
Davies
Earl
Pearson
Ledson
Barker
Browne
Robinson
Nmecha

If Fisher is suspended then there really is no alternative to Clarke. But Storey must start - he deserves that much for his performance at Leeds and frankly if he looks as good as he did then he will make himself a real option for a league start. Whatever we need at least two out of Pearson, Browne and Ledson to start to give us appropriate tackling power in midfield.
 
Is now a very important match because it is where we have to put out a side that reflects our best possible set of options and which can hopefully make the selection for the next and succeeding matches more successful - it could be the pivot point for the season. Any idea of a 'second string' side has to be junked.

Now let's try to work out how we have got where we are. We coped quite well in the first three league game without Maguire and Bodin because we kept the shape we would have used had they been available and apart from the first half at Swansea where we seemed to be overawed by their recent Premiership status played well enough to have got more points than we did. Then the wheels fell off at Norwich in league games at least and apart from the first half hour or so against Bolton, the same against Reading and 15 minutes in the second half yesterday we have floundered.

Have we 'suddenly' become a poor team or have previously good players 'suddenly' become poor ones? Contrary to what some people seem to believe both those things can happen and they quite frequently do in a new season to teams and players who have just missed out in the previous one. One of SG's unremarked achievements was to maintain momentum after we just missed out in 14. I think something of that sort has happened to an extent with some of our players but just as a team's performances can suddenly flip from good to bad they can do so the opposite way as well. There has been just enough in recent weeks - the League Cup performance at Leeds and our second half goal flurry yesterday - to suggest that we can do that as well.

What went wrong at Norwich was easy to see from the kick-off - AN's decision to cope with Gallagher's suspension by adopting a flat 4.4.2 with Browne and Pearson in the centre and Barkhuizen and Barker hugging the flanks. Only Pearson looked at all at home in that formation otherwise Browne seemed hamstrung and two of them together could not provide any real creativity while Barker and Barkhuizen - when he can be bothered - need more freedom to roam to be effective. Meanwhile at Derby Browne's absence robbed us of experience though having reverted to our normal shape we at least had a bit of movement and purpose till they scored. At Leeds in the league and yesterday we tried to stifle things by going five at the back and though we hung on in both cases for a while it was only a question of time before we conceded because we simply lacked the ability to exert any consistent pressure on our opponents in their half.

In short and this has to be said AN's decisions to try to counter the absence of key players by improvising formations that were unfamiliar to the players he did have available simply did not work. Yes he had bad luck when Pearson, Browne and Ledson were all unavailable at the same time but he was still guilty of rank bad management.

Now what about particular players:

*Clarke and Huntington have not become liabilities. The still have useful attributes - strength and determination in Clarke's case, and an ability to get between ball and goal in Huntington's. But they have both been becoming visibly that bit slower and less mobile over at least the last 12 months and maybe there has been a slight step change downwards in both their cases since last season - frankly I think there has. Playing both of them together makes us very leaden at the back and we have to avoid that if we can. There is still a case for having one or the other in a matchday squad and there may be times when in an otherwise more mobile defence there will be a case for starting one of them. But perhaps change is now needed. Maybe come January at least one of them should be offloaded to allow for a younger recruit to be brought in - both would still be outstanding a division lower.
*Gallagher has been a massive disappointment this season. You would not expect him to run all over the pitch for 90 minutes but the case for giving him another 12 months was that he could provide a bit of guile and also some leadership for our younger players. He has failed to do that. More than that he was guilty of an act of utter crassness against Stoke that not only got him suspended but led directly to AN's decision to cope by altering the basic structure of the side. At the moment the decision to extend his contract is looking like a triumph of sentiment over sense.
*Barkhuizen apart from odd flashes just looks a shadow of his former self. It reminds me of the way Chaplow played after he came back from injury. I have no idea why this is the case. I still think that Barkhuizen can again become a real threat but there is a problem there - he looks demotivated. I just do not understand why this should be the case but right now there is simply no case for starting him.

So how do we get out of this situation?

As I've indicated I think we need to revert to our proven formation and get a bit more pace in defence. Basically that has to mean a defence of:

Maxwell

Fisher, Storey, Davies, Earl or Hughes

The Earl/Hughes decision is a tough one. Hughes looks a useful acquisition but as I've said before I think Earl ultimately has a bit more class. But with one or the other starting and the one left out on the bench plus one or other of Clarke and Huntington in reserve then that is the best we can manage at the moment.

That leaves six outfield places and based on performances this season five players select themselves automatically. They are I would say Pearson, Browne, Johnson, Robinson and Barker. If Maguire was available and at his best then he would select himself as well and we would have a front six of:

Pearson, Johnson

Barker, Browne, Robinson

Maguire


Well apart from Maguire we can do all those things now. If we do then we might be well clear of the lower reaches of the table by the time the New Year arrives. Obviously we need to do something in the meantime to compensate for Maguire's absence - there are only two options either play Moult upfront or move Robinson upfront and use someone else in the midfield in his place in which case I think Harrop given a roving role would be the best option. An alternative might be Johnson operating from - note I said from not on because he is not a winger - a tucked-in position on one side of the 3 with Ledson alongside Pearson. I thought Ledson looked promising yesterday - he played some good long range passes from deep and showed willing to put himself about. Yes he needs more experience but as well as being a back-up for Pearson he could also be a more defensive foil for him than Johnson might be if required.

Anyhow there we are. Both the season and AN's managership are now in balance. I have no idea what will happen but what does seem certain is that wrenching the basic formation of the team out of shape and persisting with obviously out-of-form players is a surefire recipe for disaster. It is a disaster that has not yet happened but if AN persists with his failed tactics of the last several games it will do. But it is not inevitable and need not happen if AN makes some very basic decisions now and sticks with them.

I think that yesterday sort of proves how much Neil rates Moult. Started with 352, neither of the 2 were orthodox strikers, and Moult didn’t even get on the pitch - despite being our only real no.9.

Nmecha seems to have a niggle in his knee but prior to his first knock I think he started 3 or 4 in a row. When he’s back fit it wouldn’t surprise me if he was back in, and no, there’s clearly no obligation in the deal that means he has to play.
 
If Fisher is suspended then there really is no alternative to Clarke. But Storey must start - he deserves that much for his performance at Leeds and frankly if he looks as good as he did then he will make himself a real option for a league start. Whatever we need at least two out of Pearson, Browne and Ledson to start to give us appropriate tackling power in midfield.
I thought Storey was injured, if he’s fit then he plays for me.
 
I think that yesterday sort of proves how much Neil rates Moult. Started with 352, neither of the 2 were orthodox strikers, and Moult didn’t even get on the pitch - despite being our only real no.9.

It is difficult to avoid thinking that and if AN is still manager come January then it would not surprise me to see Moult heading back to Scotland - given how prolific he was there previously it would be surprising if there was not a bit of competition for his signature. But maybe he will get a start on Tuesday and get himself and us a goal, which would be good for everybody.
 
It is difficult to avoid thinking that and if AN is still manager come January then it would not surprise me to see Moult heading back to Scotland - given how prolific he was there previously it would be surprising if there was not a bit of competition for his signature. But maybe he will get a start on Tuesday and get himself and us a goal, which would be good for everybody.

We need to stop signing strikers who have a good record in the Scottish leagues. Generally, they have little strength or pace, and a lot of goals genuinely do come from shambolic defending. Moult showed some tidy finishes but, like Stevie May, he has nothing about him. There will be plenty of other examples as well.

Chalk and cheese from the likes of Maguire (fast as lightning), Hugill (strong as an ox) etc. You generally need physicality in some form to be able to lead the line at this level.
 
I thought Storey was injured, if he’s fit then he plays for me.

Ill rather than injured I believe so guess it depends what he’s been down with and what his energy levels will be.

Fisher is banned.

With just coming back and not being fully fit I’d rest Browne for this one, and perhaps Robinson who didn’t get a break with going away with Ireland even though he’s been our best player over recent weeks.

So perhaps...

Maxwell
Clarke Hunts Davies Hughes
Pearson Ledson
Burke Johnson Barker
Nmecha
 
Ill rather than injured I believe so guess it depends what he’s been down with and what his energy levels will be.

Fisher is banned.

With just coming back and not being fully fit I’d rest Browne for this one, and perhaps Robinson who didn’t get a break with going away with Ireland even though he’s been our best player over recent weeks.

So perhaps...

Maxwell
Clarke Hunts Davies Hughes
Pearson Ledson
Burke Johnson Barker
Nmecha

Tough call on Robinson but he’s played a lot as you say. He’s really carried us going forward in recent weeks.
 
I cant see too many people bothering on Tuesday night....... It really is a meaningless game.

The sooner we get out of that cup the sooner we can start focussing on our league form..

I wont even be following the game on here.......
 
Tough call on Robinson but he’s played a lot as you say. He’s really carried us going forward in recent weeks.

Aye but we need him for the Saturday-Tuesday-Saturday that follows!

I cant see too many people bothering on Tuesday night....... It really is a meaningless game.

The sooner we get out of that cup the sooner we can start focussing on our league form..

I wont even be following the game on here.......

A game like this is one that could turn the season (ala Sheff Utd the other year).
 
I cant see too many people bothering on Tuesday night....... It really is a meaningless game.

The sooner we get out of that cup the sooner we can start focussing on our league form..

I wont even be following the game on here.......

I actually disagree.

We need a win end this terrible run we are on and that means winning the next game. Any sort of positive result can only help the lads. Pearson hasn’t played for a long while so think he may actually get a run out, not sure how strong a side he will put out but a win can only be a good thing.

I do agree the attendance will be very poor but we need something to try and lift the sprits.
 
Tough call on Robinson but he’s played a lot as you say. He’s really carried us going forward in recent weeks.

So long as we revert to our proper formation then as Tino says there is a case for keeping Browne and Robinson back - they will certainly start the following match in any event. After the way he played in this competition at Leeds Harrop must surely get a start.
 
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