Under 23 squad

[pnemann10]

All down to the money side of things and financially it wouldn't make sense for us at the moment.

A huge cost: 20 players, backroom staff, facilities, travel etc

 

[norfolk white]

Yeah they do. Fleetwood and AFC Fylde both have much better facilities than we currently do as well. Pool Foot Farm is fantastic.

Thanks BPIG, I knew Fleetwood had good youth facilities but didn't realise they had a Cat 1 Academy, good for them. I didn't know anything about AFC Fylde's facilities though :thumbsup:

 

[SF]

Yeah they do. Fleetwood and AFC Fylde both have much better facilities than we currently do as well. Pool Foot Farm is fantastic.

Just Googled it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKWfAavuhus

Nice.

Really hope our Ingol training ground doesn't get scrapped but knowing PNE, it will.

Don't see any point in funding an academy though, especially when Prem clubs can cherrypick the best youngsters for next to nothing.

 

[SF]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elite_Player_Performance_Plan

This will replace the current system of compensation determined by an independent tribunal.[9] Thus a 14 year old player who spends 6 years at the club (Category 3) will command an initial fee of £46,500 (£3,000 x 3 + £12,500 x 3). Further fixed fees are payable on the player making first team appearances in any professional senior competition.

What a great system...

 

[Former Member]

I guess Norwich aren't exactly competing with academies at Man City, Man Utd, Liverpool, Everton, Burnley, Blackburn, Bolton, Wigan , Blackpool, Fleetwood, Morecambe, etc. etc to draw their youth supply. Geography has a big part to play in the luck of the draw, Southampton another example where for years they could mop up a large catchment area that the London clubs couldn't tap and have a pipeline of youth

Good point regarding catchment areas.

I believe the rule is before U16s you can’t go somewhere more than 90 minutes away from your home or something ?

Where I played everyone was fairly local.

 

[Mickypne]

My lad played a Tournament at Fleetwood Academy ground and it's superb

 

[BPIG]

Thanks BPIG, I knew Fleetwood had good youth facilities but didn't realise they had a Cat 1 Academy, good for them. I didn't know anything about AFC Fylde's facilities though :thumbsup:

Oh, I don't think they have Cat 1 academies, didn't realise that was what you meant.

 

[California_PNE]

Good point regarding catchment areas.

I believe the rule is before U16s you can’t go somewhere more than 90 minutes away from your home or something ?

Where I played everyone was fairly local.

Imo north end should run west Lancaster junior leagues and hoover up the talent in a proper structure

 

[Former Member]

Imo north end should run west Lancaster junior leagues and hoover up the talent in a proper structure

Well those Sunday west lancs are where they get the majority of their talent from.

Or, like we've seen with Josh Brownhill & this Dolan lad coming through, sloppy seconds from the big hitters.

 

[sports rehab]

I was listening to Alex Neil on the club podcast talking earlier about the club’s recruitment policy. He was reinforcing what we all know - that we have to buy young players and hope they turn out to be good.

It made me wonder whether we should get an under 23 team. It would be good for those young players to have a chance to play, and to make sure we had game time for the first team squad who weren’t playing.

I know it would cost money (a couple of million a year?), but I’m not sure we can afford not to if we want to make sure our players develop...

you dont need to be cat 1 to have under 23's - cat 2's can have them too..... such as Bolton.....

Under 21's I think is what we should look at not 23's - too many of our youth team who get deals never get any football.

It also allows injured players game time on their recovery.

 

[northendmanc]

you dont need to be cat 1 to have under 23's - cat 2's can have them too..... such as Bolton.....

Under 21's I think is what we should look at not 23's - too many of our youth team who get deals never get any football.

It also allows injured players game time on their recovery.

That was my point. I don’t really have an opinion about the age really just that having a ‘reserves’ team playing non competitive but structured football would be good for the young players - and the first team who aren’t getting minutes or are recovering from injury - which seems essential if our model is to buy players like Connor Simpson.

 

[jakehake]

Good point regarding catchment areas.

I believe the rule is before U16s you can’t go somewhere more than 90 minutes away from your home or something ?

Where I played everyone was fairly local.

Yep my understanding of a similar time limit due to schooling etc. They can play games at weekends further afield but for midweek training there are limits hence those anomalies like Southampton/Norwich in old days. Brighton and Bournemouth have now same benefit in some ways and tap what used to be Southamptons realm as one example. In the North west it’s a massive battle I imagine for all clubs

 

[Vesuvius17]

you dont need to be cat 1 to have under 23's - cat 2's can have them too..... such as Bolton.....

Under 21's I think is what we should look at not 23's - too many of our youth team who get deals never get any football.

It also allows injured players game time on their recovery.

Today's hiding of our U18s by Rochdale is a good argument for either an U21 or U23 team to at least give our younger players some more experience of playing "mens" football as opposed to youth football. Many of today's Rochdale team have been playing first team football in the Checkatrade trophy. Not a single one of our U18s has played in a first team match yet - not even in pre-season. There have been no bounce games arranged , and virtually the one chance of the youth playing in a senior fixture ie the Lancs Senior Cup was kiboshed by Neill. The Category 3 teams that play in Leagues one and two have Checkatrade trophy, which allows them to play their younger players - and virtually every other team we play have been doing this. The higher league clubs usually have either the U21 or U23 option. We have neither - and today it showed.

 

[sports rehab]

Today's hiding of our U18s by Rochdale is a good argument for either an U21 or U23 team to at least give our younger players some more experience of playing "mens" football as opposed to youth football. Many of today's Rochdale team have been playing first team football in the Checkatrade trophy. Not a single one of our U18s has played in a first team match yet - not even in pre-season. There have been no bounce games arranged , and virtually the one chance of the youth playing in a senior fixture ie the Lancs Senior Cup was kiboshed by Neill. The Category 3 teams that play in Leagues one and two have Checkatrade trophy, which allows them to play their younger players - and virtually every other team we play have been doing this. The higher league clubs usually have either the U21 or U23 option. We have neither - and today it showed.

Good point WELL made...

For instance- Bolton in our league (cat 2) have U23 games arranged / played against ...bristol city; Millwall; Ipswich; Leeds; Hull; Forest; Birmingham; Sheff U & Weds; Qpr.
They also play against Burnley; Palace; CArdiff and Watford U23's.

Rovers will probably play other Prem Teams as they area CAt 1

I KNOW, when the current EPPP came in, our youth management wanted us to be a CAT 2 - but we settled for a CAT 3 under Westley's tenure ....


One way or another our 19's NEED football..