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Am I right in thinking that, at the recent Forum, the club stated that North End had been independently valued at £77 million?

If so that value seems even stranger today when I've just read the Bolton owner saying that they are worth £30m, and that a Fans Consortium in conjunction with other investors are close to putting in a bid of £45m for Hull City. Either PNE have paid for a useless valuation, or the Board are just feeding the fans cr@p again.
 
Meldrew's Ghost said:
Am I right in thinking that, at the recent Forum, the club stated that North End had been independently valued at £77 million?

If so that value seems even stranger today when I've just read the Bolton owner saying that they are worth £30m, and that a Fans Consortium in conjunction with other investors are close to putting in a bid of £45m for Hull City. Either PNE have paid for a useless valuation, or the Board are just feeding the fans cr@p again.
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Didn’t Bolton off load lots of assets and they in major debt.
 
Meldrew's Ghost said:
Am I right in thinking that, at the recent Forum, the club stated that North End had been independently valued at £77 million?

If so that value seems even stranger today when I've just read the Bolton owner saying that they are worth £30m, and that a Fans Consortium in conjunction with other investors are close to putting in a bid of £45m for Hull City. Either PNE have paid for a useless valuation, or the Board are just feeding the fans cr@p again.
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They said our squad had been independently valued at £77m not the club.

I'd say we are worth somewhere in between those two figures.given we own our stadium but haven't been in the prem.
 
paddysr said:
They said our squad had been independently valued at £77m not the club.

I'd say we are worth somewhere in between those two figures.given we own our stadium but haven't been in the prem.
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How on earth do you value a club? Be interesting to know cause there are the tangibles, ground, cash, assets, etc, then there is the name of the club which carries a value also.

But you're right some fella got to 77m; countless posters on here listed the playing squad taking an optimistic approach got at best to approx 50m; so this figure ridsdale said is strange imo.
 
To be fair, i'd want £35-40m just for Pearson, Browne, Robinson and Davies.

If Maguire stays fit then he's in the same bracket.

DJ & Barkhuizen are worth decent money, then there are prospects like Earl, Ledson, Storey.

Bodin & Harrop could potentially be worth a good amount.

They're worth what we will accept and what someone will pay, we scared Stoke off by whacking a massive price tag on Pearson.

It's probably a projected valuation, rather than a current one.
 
We own the ground but not the land it sits on, so really the actual structure isn't worth that much. Sure another owner wouldn't need to invest in another stadium but if ever we folder or relocated they could t use the land to build houses or for commercial use.

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Though i read on this forum years ago that we bought the lease for the ground with the proviso it could only ever be used for sporting activity. Therefore effectively banning any future house or commercial building.
 
pne4ever said:
Though i read on this forum years ago that we bought the lease for the ground with the proviso it could only ever be used for sporting activity. Therefore effectively banning any future house or commercial building.
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I am sure this is the case, we own the land but it has a order that it can only be used for sporting events. These orders normally last 100-200 years.
 
paddysr said:
They said our squad had been independently valued at £77m not the club.

I'd say we are worth somewhere in between those two figures.given we own our stadium but haven't been in the prem.
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Was it a valuation for insurance purposes possibly as I can't fathom why else they would value a squad in such a manner. If it was insurance then potentially could account for the slightly high figures (and presumably allows the insurers to inflate whatever premium it covers)
 
Only 2 reasons I can think of to value the squad
1 as part of a marketing document to advertise the club for sale
2 some sort of disclosure in the accounts to support the solvency of the club.

I think 1 is the most likely. It’s been a bit of an open secret in football financial circles for a while that the club is for sale to the right bidder.

Personally I put no value at all on a business that loses 5m a year in an industry where the vast majority of competitors lose money too. I think we will struggle to find owners like the venkys who are prepared to chuck 20m plus at it as that’s just chicken feed , pun intended , to them.

The plastics and Wigan were lucky in finding owners prepared to spend what they have but their recent pl experiences make them more on the radars of potential foreign owners.


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jakehake said:
Was it a valuation for insurance purposes possibly as I can't fathom why else they would value a squad in such a manner. If it was insurance then potentially could account for the slightly high figures (and presumably allows the insurers to inflate whatever premium it covers)
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I would assume so. Can't see any other reason we would do it. I've never come across a club sold for a figure based on their squad value. It's normally down to fixed assets and earning potential
 
FootballcrazyP_ said:
I am sure this is the case, we own the land but it has a order that it can only be used for sporting events. These orders normally last 100-200 years.
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I could be wrong, but I think the land is leasehold, on a long lease from the council. Probably 100 years originally, but perhaps only 80 or so remaining, so the value decreases by the year.
 
Meldrew's Ghost said:
Am I right in thinking that, at the recent Forum, the club stated that North End had been independently valued at £77 million?

If so that value seems even stranger today when I've just read the Bolton owner saying that they are worth £30m, and that a Fans Consortium in conjunction with other investors are close to putting in a bid of £45m for Hull City. Either PNE have paid for a useless valuation, or the Board are just feeding the fans cr@p again.
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The club didn't say who had done the valuation, but it's almost certainly been done as part of the annual accounts; as the player values would normally be amortised as part of the accounting procedure.
 
Just to add to my op, today Wigan have said that they expect the takeover of their club to happen in the next six weeks - for an agreed £22m.

I don't understand people trying to distinguish between the value of the club, and the transfer value of the players. The club owns the players contract registrations and therefore their market value forms a part of the valuation of the club. It was my understanding that the valuation figure was mentioned in conjunction with the owner wanting a commercial price for the sale of the club.
 
Schemer said:
I could be wrong, but I think the land is leasehold, on a long lease from the council. Probably 100 years originally, but perhaps only 80 or so remaining, so the value decreases by the year.
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This is my understanding of the situation.
 
Bolton's squad is worth fuck all to be fair bar Vela and Ameobi.

They have about 4 senior players on their books under the age of 28.
 
sf said:
Bolton's squad is worth fuck all to be fair bar Vela and Ameobi.

They have about 4 senior players on their books under the age of 28.
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Saw a stat yesterday that they’ve played players under the age of 23 for the least amount of minutes out of anyone in the EFL 72.
 
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