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Agree with VAR. But surely the referee can only give a pen if he sees a foul. What did he see?
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Agree - just let them go and have a look at a monitor. No dicking about with lines and shit - if it looks offside then give it, if it looks like you’ve fucked up then overturn your decision.
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He probably saw a foul. From behind it looked like a blatant pen IMO. Only with the side-on replays can we see the dive.
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Refs are supposedly trained to spot the cheats in such situations and be up with the play - we suffered due to the incompetence of the official and the cheating that goes on in football - will it ever change - the culprits face no action and the ref will be a hero in West Bromwich
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To be fair, it did look like he’d been taken out (but then I do stand on row 39 of the AKTE).
Ah now I didn’t say that we shouldn’t help them. VAR tonight would have stopped that travesty
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Yep, and why is it needed. Because despite their training or it being ‘their job’, referees can’t make the correct decision, amidst the rapid pace of the modern game and all the cheating, every single time. Which is why I have sympathy with the ref tonight.
I had the same angle as the ref and it was clear the player knocked the ball too far and then veered towards Rudd hoping for some contact, both the ref and assistant on the STF side should have seen that. If he was unsighted he can’t give a penalty just by guesswork.
The referee can only give a decision like that if he is 100% certain it's a penalty.
There is no way he could have been sure from his position. The problem is in our league they appear uncountable, he may get a league one game at the weekend but who knows.
Ultimately the FA need to suspend thier player for diving but probably wont.
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The decision went against all that referees are taught when their position is unfavorable to make a decision. Plus how many bloody times have they been coached in spotting the divers who running outside of the goal area seek to con them. Text book ignored by incompetent official who should not be allowed to officiate again until they gain the required insight.
He didn't see a foul because he couldn't see a point of contact. He assumed he'd seen a foul, which isn't what they are meant to do. Earlier in the half Maguire got goalside of his man who put his hand on his back, and down he went. Ref didn't give cos he couldnt tell if there had been contact. In that he case he correctly refused to make an assumption as to why Maguire went down. He completely reversed that approach when awarding the pen from about 30 yards behind play.
How can the assistant on the STFS side see it? He’d have been at the halfway line. Some of his decisions were poor too.
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Just my opinion but I disagree. It’s a split second decision and from behind I can see why the referee could be 100% sure of contact.
I don’t deny that he has been conned badly.
All beside the point though really as the thread is about VAR and if it was in place we come away with a point and don’t head into the QPR game having lost 3 games on the spin.
I just don’t understand the culture of criticism and lambasting of officials, expecting perfection from them to almost a robotic degree, even though they have no help at all in stadiums throughout this league which are full of cameras and technology.
It’s fine margins trying to get out of this division and the sooner there’s a pitch side monitor available to officials the better.
Funnily enough the main beneficiary of tonight’s decision was Charlie Austin who has in the past made his views on the need for technology in football officiating very clear. Seems he isn’t as bothered about it when it goes his way without it.
The assistant could see the player change direction toward Rudd, I could see it and I was twice as far away.
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VAR is an absolute aberration. There's a place for video technology in football but in it's current form it's just muddying the waters even more.
Tonight's penalty was just a bad decision from a very poor referee. I can understand that a lot more than having a bad decision made by endless slow motion replays, and the wrong decision still being made (as is happening every week).
Rudd was at fault for the goal, once again displaying a lack of game awareness...though to be fair he was otherwise very good tonight.
Tonight's penalty was just a bad decision from a very poor referee. I can understand that a lot more than having a bad decision made by endless slow motion replays, and the wrong decision still being made (as is happening every week).
Rudd was at fault for the goal, once again displaying a lack of game awareness...though to be fair he was otherwise very good tonight.
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And if they don't or cannot see what is happening then they shouldn't guess and give free-kicks or penalties
They dont half make it hard for themselves sometimes though.
For example at one point the linesman infront of the IPS gave an offside against West Brom, put up his flag and I assume told the referee through his mic.
The referee totally ignored him, he puts down his flag and gives a throw in.
On the penalty, I didnt realise until I've seen the video how far away he was, there was a few players in his way too.
There is no way he could have been sure, so he guessed and got it complety wrong.
These officials in our league are professional and elite 2. Yes they are human but christ they shouldn't be making such big calls on the basis of a guess.
I cant abide VAR for various reasons but it shouldn't be needed for such poor officiating in the first place.
As for Austin... complete hypocrite.
I'll be honest from where I was sat in the STFS (in the Town End half) I didn't have a grumble about the penalty being given. Was amazed when I saw the lack of contact on the TV replay. Surely a quick check on a monitor could have righted a wrong. Even if a penalty was taken away from us in the same circumstances I wouldn't grumble as fair is fair. It's the kind of decision that goes for you when you're on a good run and against you when in a difficult period.
It's a very very tricky call to make in the heat of the moment. Taking a step back from the tribalism and anger of losing the game, in real time it's a decision that could probably go either way. It's only a blatant dive after watching several of Sky's replays. Whether in real time Langford sees enough contact to give the penalty is a different matter.
If one of our forwards goes down like that in front of the Town End in the 89th minute, the crowd would be up and screaming for a penalty.
It was some of the more obvious stuff that the referee and assistants got wrong which was baffling. The defending/lack of a proper clearance in the run up to the lad running through is a bit poor.
If one of our forwards goes down like that in front of the Town End in the 89th minute, the crowd would be up and screaming for a penalty.
It was some of the more obvious stuff that the referee and assistants got wrong which was baffling. The defending/lack of a proper clearance in the run up to the lad running through is a bit poor.
The referee wasn’t positioned ideally, probably because of the way Storey played the ball being a little unexpected. However, the primary issue is the player who cheated and whilst players continue cheating you’re going to get referees making the wrong decision. Whatever the rights and wrongs, the referee thought he was making the right decision.
I am in little doubt that the attacker will be charged and banned for two games but that doesn’t help us at all.