VAR

[No Danger]

The referee wasn’t positioned ideally, probably because of the way Storey played the ball being a little unexpected. However, the primary issue is the player who cheated and whilst players continue cheating you’re going to get referees making the wrong decision. Whatever the rights and wrongs, the referee thought he was making the right decision.

I am in little doubt that the attacker will be charged and banned for two games but that doesn’t help us at all.

You're more confident than I am about action being taken against the player. Hope you're right though as it will be official confirmation that we've been twisted.

 

[pnenycx]

Just my opinion but I disagree. It’s a split second decision and from behind I can see why the referee could be 100% sure of contact.

I don’t deny that he has been conned badly.

All beside the point though really as the thread is about VAR and if it was in place we come away with a point and don’t head into the QPR game having lost 3 games on the spin.

I just don’t understand the culture of criticism and lambasting of officials, expecting perfection from them to almost a robotic degree, even though they have no help at all in stadiums throughout this league which are full of cameras and technology.

It’s fine margins trying to get out of this division and the sooner there’s a pitch side monitor available to officials the better.

Funnily enough the main beneficiary of tonight’s decision was Charlie Austin who has in the past made his views on the need for technology in football officiating very clear. Seems he isn’t as bothered about it when it goes his way without it.

It's a fair post, refs job is very difficult. The NHL model might be one worth looking at. There the coaches can challenge a goal but if the decision is upheld there is a penalty (last season they would lose their timeout, this season their team incurs a penalty). This prevents arbitrary challenges.

 

[john2321]

Does anyone think this ref would have given it if it was Ben Pearson doing it for us, not in a million years, he would have brandished a red card for Pearson diving.

 

[Regardless]

VAR is a shit concept, being made by being implemented by idiots.

Give the diving twat a retrospective ban (not just a yellow card). Use video evidence to punish players like this. At least that would go some way to stamping out cheating from the game, without ruining the entire spectacle.

 

[Regardless]

Agree with VAR. But surely the referee can only give a pen if he sees a foul. What did he see?

Paul Daniels often had me thinking I'd seen something I hadn't.

 

[Muzza]

Only seen the highlights in real time (not seen a replay from different angles) and you can clearly see the striker drags his foot back before he even gets close to Rudd. Ref should have been able to see that.

 

[JK]

 

[Tino]

Let's face it, if that was in the last 2 minutes at the Hawthorns and Maguire does that then we're not getting the penalty. Simple.

He guessed. He shouldn't be. He got it badly wrong. I'm also pretty sure he lives on the Fylde coast.

 

[Dazzler]

From a Rovers fan "Rotten ref's decision for the pen - never touched him"

 

[buckshawwhite]

The referee wasn’t positioned ideally, probably because of the way Storey played the ball being a little unexpected. However, the primary issue is the player who cheated and whilst players continue cheating you’re going to get referees making the wrong decision. Whatever the rights and wrongs, the referee thought he was making the right decision.

I am in little doubt that the attacker will be charged and banned for two games but that doesn’t help us at all.

I very much doubt that Roberts will be charged and banned. I doubt that the incident will even be looked at as it would be seen to be undermining the referee on a confirmed decision by the authorities. We all know that there has been an injustice & have to move on. The real concern is that we tired , settled for the draw & gave WBA the initiative for the last 10 minutes or so. In hindsight the substitutions should have been made on 75 minutes

 

[pnenycx]

I very much doubt that Roberts will be charged and banned. I doubt that the incident will even be looked at as it would be seen to be undermining the referee on a confirmed decision by the authorities. We all know that there has been an injustice & have to move on. The real concern is that we tired , settled for the draw & gave WBA the initiative for the last 10 minutes or so. In hindsight the substitutions should have been made on 75 minutes

From what Keith Hackett has said on Twitter the ref needed subbing after 75 mins.

 

[BPIG]

I very much doubt that Roberts will be charged and banned. I doubt that the incident will even be looked at as it would be seen to be undermining the referee on a confirmed decision by the authorities. We all know that there has been an injustice & have to move on. The real concern is that we tired , settled for the draw & gave WBA the initiative for the last 10 minutes or so. In hindsight the substitutions should have been made on 75 minutes

He will get a 2 game ban for successful deception of a match official.

 

[buckshawwhite]

From what Keith Hackett has said on Twitter the ref needed subbing after 75 mins.

Just seen that... Interesting that an ex renowned referee is critical of the decision. Putting the obvious disappointment behind us, isn't it the case that these errors will always happen & usually even out for teams over the season? Or is there a case for 1 appeal per game to refer to the technology in instances like this? I really don't want to see VAR (in its present form) in the Championship

 

[Mel Tottoh]

It’s not the referee’s fault tonight. The way the ball went in behind meant it was almost impossible for him to get into a good position, and from behind the incident where he was it did look like a blatant pen.

It’s a dive though and with a bit of help the officials can then overturn such decisions.

But for some reason, many people think it’s impure to have a decision checked. I’d rather be coming away with a point than 0 points after a dive for the sake of purity.

That is the ref's fault though . If from his position he could not see the contact ( which he can't have as there wasn't any ) then he cannot give a penalty . He's guessed and got it wrong .

 

[paddysr]

The only way they are going to stop it is with points deductions. Any match in which deception of the referee has influenced the result of the game should be forfeited by the offending team.

I'd be embarrassed if we won a game in this manner

 

[SF]

Fuck VAR.

Not fit for purpose.

 

[pthnorthender]

Why not have an official behind each goal? Most contentious issues are in or around the penalty box and this would stop the increasing number of bad decisions made by incompetent referees. Assistant Referees are spineless most of the time and will not challenge the Ref once a decision has been made. IMO the fourth official does nothing other than keep the benches apart and is a waste of time.

 

[paddysr]

Why not have an official behind each goal? Most contentious issues are in or around the penalty box and this would stop the increasing number of bad decisions made by incompetent referees. Assistant Referees are spineless most of the time and will not challenge the Ref once a decision has been made. IMO the fourth official does nothing other than keep the benches apart and is a waste of time.

They do dont they?

 

[pne_monster]

Why not have an official behind each goal? Most contentious issues are in or around the penalty box and this would stop the increasing number of bad decisions made by incompetent referees. Assistant Referees are spineless most of the time and will not challenge the Ref once a decision has been made. IMO the fourth official does nothing other than keep the benches apart and is a waste of time.

Tried that in the Europa league. Was worthless.

 

[Regardless]

I'll be honest from where I was sat in the STFS (in the Town End half) I didn't have a grumble about the penalty being given. Was amazed when I saw the lack of contact on the TV replay. Surely a quick check on a monitor could have righted a wrong. Even if a penalty was taken away from us in the same circumstances I wouldn't grumble as fair is fair. It's the kind of decision that goes for you when you're on a good run and against you when in a difficult period.

For a start, I think that decision would not have been overturned until the ref had viewed several camera angles... and viewed the key one two or three times. No way would it have been a "quick check". But anyway, even if it was, the enormous damage that VAR does to the game was very clearly on show on Sunday when Tryone Mings scored an equaliser to make it 2-2.

A massive goal for him, at Old Trafford. He should have been taking a glance over to the linesman and going apeshit in celebration, thronged by his players. Instead, he wasn't sure whether or not he was offside, so it was like handshakes and taps on the shoulder.... which transmitted to the crowd who had muted celebrations. To a greater or lesser extent, this happens almost every time a goal is scored... so the way it kills the joy of the game is usually a bit more subtle.

VAR has its pros and cons. If there were never any grey-areas... and decisions where instantaneously available - like the case of goal-line technology, then it could be great. But that's never going to happen. As painful as last night was, it's far better to accept the decision. Ideally ban the guy retrospectively and move on.