When Will They Ever Learn?

[paddysr]

That's what I was trying to say - Both yellows cards don't count, so Pearson has had 9 yellow cards this season.

You're right. Makes sense now.

 

[Kathryn]

That's what I was trying to say - Both yellows cards don't count, so Pearson has had 9 yellow cards this season.

Surely the easiest way is to count the yellows since his last ban, which I believe was Norwich away. Including today’s yellow, that makes four.

 

[26-0]

It's easy for us sitting here
He's under the cosh against some real bastards he's grafting like fuck probably playing injured. I agree far too many yellows, far too many, but today I'm not going to criticise he battled like a soldier!

+1

He'll be frustrated enough without us adding to it. Give him a break I say. Always gives everything.

 

[giro]

Yes Pearson, this is aimed at you.

I really admire the way you play, but what on earth is the point of earning yourself a yellow for having a go at the Ref? We need you a lot for this next half of the season, yet you're looking at a two-game ban. Do you honestly think that you having a go at the Ref is going to make him change his decision? Knock it off. Just shake your head, walk away, and carry on playing good games.

There really is no excuse for our players earning yellow cards for dissent at this point in the season. I understand the point about showing a bit of passion, but to do that in the Refs' face is just plain stupid. Save it for the players that we're playing against, not the officials.

He got booked for a foul, not dissent. He did remonstrate with the ref, because 30 seconds earlier he’d not taken any action for a similar foul by Millwall.
Pearson will never die wondering. That’s what makes him the player his.

 

[wld]

When Will They Ever Learn?

Yes, Pearson get a few too many bookings but it's easy for us fans to sit in the stands and say stop arguing with the ref, but every time the fans think the ref is making a bad decision the majority of us swear, shout, get annoyed etc and that's without the pressure of being in a football match. Pearson probably knows he needs to cut out the dissent, but unfortunately if he feels a decision is wrong he's going to be frustrated. People who say the ref's decision is final so don't argue - yes it is, but any football match I watch in any league on any day - players argue with ref's because in that high pressure situation if you think a wrong decision has gone against you you are going to be pissed off. I'm not sticking up for Pearson but I don't blame him for reacting the way he does because the majority of players and majority of us fans would react in that way too.

But every time your boss or supervisor tells you to do something you don’t like do you swear at him or argue vehemently with him? It’s a passionate game so I do understand the frustrations but players sometimes have to bite their tongue.

 

[wld]

That's what I was trying to say - Both yellows cards don't count, so Pearson has had 9 yellow cards this season.

Neither yellow at Leeds counts - a red card for 2 yellows effectively cancels the 2 yellows out for totting up purposes. Pearson has been shown 11 yellows this season, with only 9 counting for yellow card suspensions.

If he gets one next week, it would have the dreadful consequence of meaning 1 of the games he missed being the cup match.

 

[White123]

Neither yellow at Leeds counts - a red card for 2 yellows effectively cancels the 2 yellows out for totting up purposes. Pearson has been shown 11 yellows this season, with only 9 counting for yellow card suspensions.

If he gets one next week, it would have the dreadful consequence of meaning 1 of the games he missed being the cup match.

Dreadful consequence? Surley out of all the games missing the cup match would be the best consequence.

 

[wld]

Dreadful consequence? Surley out of all the games missing the cup match would be the best consequence.

Yes it would - ironic sarcasm from me. I wouldn’t say he should kick the ball away in the last minute if he hasn’t been booked by then either.

 

[White123]

But every time your boss or supervisor tells you to do something you don’t like do you swear at him or argue vehemently with him? It’s a passionate game so I do understand the frustrations but players sometimes have to bite their tongue.

I agree - Pearson does need to learn to bite his tongue, but fans have got to understand it's not as easy as it seems. It's a passionate game and Pearson obviously felt some injustice so took his frustrations out on the ref as it was him who made the decision. The ref's decision is final but that will still not stop players trying to get their point across at any level.

 

[wld]

I agree - Pearson does need to learn to bite his tongue, but fans have got to understand it's not as easy as it seems. It's a passionate game and Pearson obviously felt some injustice so took his frustrations out on the ref as it was him who made the decision. The ref's decision is final but that will still not stop players trying to get their point across at any level.

Yes, I often think referees should allow a momentary reaction immediately after the decision. If the dissent continues after that, then take action. Not a lot wrong with ‘Ffs ref’, ‘I got the ball’ or ‘Why wasn’t that a foul earlier’ but if it goes beyond that then brandish the card.

 

[Dirty Harry]

I do think most refs give players a bit of slack, to be honest. I think an immediate ' ffs ref' is usually ignored or maybe given an 'any more of that and you're in the book, son' you only have to do a bit of lip reading when watching footy to see that. Often, players can go unseen by many just constantly goading the ref and following him around the pitch in his ear all match. These players will no doubt be the ones who refs have less tolerance of.

 

[wld]

I do think most refs give players a bit of slack, to be honest. I think an immediate ' ffs ref' is usually ignored or maybe given an 'any more of that and you're in the book, son' you only have to do a bit of lip reading when watching footy to see that. Often, players can go unseen by many just constantly goading the ref and following him around the pitch in his ear all match. These players will no doubt be the ones who refs have less tolerance of.

Yes, they do. The issue I’ve often had is high profile players constantly in the ear of referees when they drop down the leagues, Alan Smith and Shelvey a couple of examples in recent years. Often they get away with it.

I wonder what Pearson says to referees that means he gets more bookings for dissent than Huntington (for example) who seems to be having a go at the referee much more frequently.

 

[Dirty Harry]

Yes, they do. The issue I’ve often had is high profile players constantly in the ear of referees when they drop down the leagues, Alan Smith and Shelvey a couple of examples in recent years. Often they get away with it.

I wonder what Pearson says to referees that means he gets more bookings for dissent than Huntington (for example) who seems to be having a go at the referee much more frequently.

Maybe Hunts just demands explanations for decisions, while Pearson is actually insulting the refs?

 

[wld]

Maybe Hunts just demands explanations for decisions, while Pearson is actually insulting the refs?

Possibly. Huntington has probably earned a bit more respect over the years, captain of various teams and known to referees as such, therefore more leeway.

 

[26-0]

Yes, I often think referees should allow a momentary reaction immediately after the decision. If the dissent continues after that, then take action. Not a lot wrong with ‘Ffs ref’, ‘I got the ball’ or ‘Why wasn’t that a foul earlier’ but if it goes beyond that then brandish the card.

Absolutely.

And I'd say that would be strong refereeing and exactly what the paying public would want.

 

[FootballcrazyP_]

Yes Pearson, this is aimed at you.

I really admire the way you play, but what on earth is the point of earning yourself a yellow for having a go at the Ref? We need you a lot for this next half of the season, yet you're looking at a two-game ban. Do you honestly think that you having a go at the Ref is going to make him change his decision? Knock it off. Just shake your head, walk away, and carry on playing good games.

There really is no excuse for our players earning yellow cards for dissent at this point in the season. I understand the point about showing a bit of passion, but to do that in the Refs' face is just plain stupid. Save it for the players that we're playing against, not the officials.

Player shows Passion, commitment to the club. He got injured and played 70 minutes to finish the game. So his passion got the better of him. Who cares.

 

[White123]

Yes it would - ironic sarcasm from me. I wouldn’t say he should kick the ball away in the last minute if he hasn’t been booked by then either.

My apologies. Hard to pick out sarcasm from reading.

 

[Lord Edgington]

Yes, they do. The issue I’ve often had is high profile players constantly in the ear of referees when they drop down the leagues, Alan Smith and Shelvey a couple of examples in recent years. Often they get away with it.

I wonder what Pearson says to referees that means he gets more bookings for dissent than Huntington (for example) who seems to be having a go at the referee much more frequently.

Refs like anyone else don't like being sworn at ?

 

[White123]

Yes, I often think referees should allow a momentary reaction immediately after the decision. If the dissent continues after that, then take action. Not a lot wrong with ‘Ffs ref’, ‘I got the ball’ or ‘Why wasn’t that a foul earlier’ but if it goes beyond that then brandish the card.

I agree. Personally I think refs get too much respect and protection from this above. Refs are making basic errors every week in all leagues and should be made to explain their decisions or at least a sanction given e.g suspended from reffing for two matches. The standard of reffing at the moment is the worst I’ve seen

 

[Lord Edgington]

I agree. Personally I think refs get too much respect and protection from this above. Refs are making basic errors every week in all leagues and should be made to explain their decisions or at least a sanction given e.g suspended from reffing for two matches. The standard of reffing at the moment is the worst I’ve seen

It's an age old debate isn't it
You do wonder why rugby gets it so right on both counts, players and refs
Maybe the fact that players simply cannot bother refs in a game allows the ref to concentrate on the game rather than possible shenanigans
It's a really difficult nut to crack is this subject