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I was quite clearly talking about the 'attending big games' comment.
I am Disgusted with the Nerve of the club!
shaky
The Gentry (RIP)
Towing the Derek line, as usual!
"Blame the fans"
Degsy, Degsy Rah Rah Rah!
Twat! 😎
My family have had season tickets for 35 years to this season and we will not be renewing this time - our choice. We will just pick and choose games, and for our own personal reasons.
I personally like going to the Pictures in Longridge, but I decide to pick and choose rather than go every week. I also like eating out, but I don't go to the same curry houses every week.
What's the big issue about buying or not buying a season ticket? I accept Bagwan's decision, but can also understand those who renew.
It's a personal choice to suit your own circumstances, but to "slate" someone who decides not to renew is pathetic.
I personally like going to the Pictures in Longridge, but I decide to pick and choose rather than go every week. I also like eating out, but I don't go to the same curry houses every week.
What's the big issue about buying or not buying a season ticket? I accept Bagwan's decision, but can also understand those who renew.
It's a personal choice to suit your own circumstances, but to "slate" someone who decides not to renew is pathetic.
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As always, you resort to personal insults rather than addressing the issues. Why?
I don't believe the decision not to renew is what people have addressed. More the tenuous reasoning and the finger pointing at what they see are the reasons for not renewing.
i.e. economic downturn and pricing policy for 16 year olds(the same as last weeks pricing policy for 21 year olds thread)
shaky
The Gentry (RIP)
That is my issue, I get incensed when Derek moans about the fans, it incenses me more when the ream team back him up.
No wonder fans are turning their backs.
Do something about it instead of whining about it, as I tell my missus, moaning about something will not make anybody do something, other than eventually get sick of listening to the same old shite and fuck off!
And don't suggest it's up to me to do something like you did last time, it's up to the club, not me.
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erm...amen.....but isn't 90% of your output here whining and moaning about various parts of the club and players?
shaky
The Gentry (RIP)
I leave all the happy clappy stuff to you fuckers.
If the club needs the fans, they should be listening to our concerns.
J
jaymo
I cant see how the economic downturn is a "tenous reason" for not renewing in all honesty.
I know your response will be that the club is not immune to the economic downturn as well, but the fact is if they want punters through the door they need to reduce the prices.
the fact is, a prize freeze is the very least the club could do (the cynic in me would add "as per usual" to the end of that sentence).
there you go, you answered the question yourself. Tenuous or not, people suggesting they are affected by something whilst assuming the club(it's suppliers, employees etc.) are not is a bit lame IMO
no disagreement here on that. But as usual the question is how. We're already relatively cheap compared to most. The reduction in prices may not see us gain the increase in numbers required either. The marketing needs reviewing though and some change to the offers at some point is a must, because fans now see the discount as the genuine price.
Plus the fact we've now had two threads complaining about the way prices change for 16 and 21 year olds beggars belief. Where do you draw the line on this, or should anyone who starts as a child season ticket holder pay that fee for life to shield them from any dramatic age related increases?
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jaymo
I agree on the age thing, where exactly do you draw the line. theres always going to be someone affected wherever they do draw it.
can you name one other service or retail industry that havent had to reduce their prices or create special offers to stimulate spending?
like I've said previously, I recently used to work for a furniture company who were hit 3 ways by the credit crunch, firstly lack of sales, secondly increase in prices from suppliers, thirdly exchange rate on the dollar.
was their answer to this to increase prices or even freeze prices? no it was to reduce prices accross the board.
what makes PNE so different to any other service industry that they dont have to reduce prices?
The thing thats annoyed me about the ST prices is theres obviously been no thought into what they can do marketing wise to get people involved, instead they've just trotted out the same "mad march" scheme again. Indicitive of the half assed way the admin side of the club seems to be run IMO.
I'm not sure I'd compare the football industry to furniture or even the service/retail sector. Football/sport in general has teh difference of emotional attachment. I don't go shopping in Asda or buy a sofa because I've a heartfekt attachment to them. I do it because I need to feed myself, or need a new sofa. Football/sport is a choice, escapism/loyalty whatever.
Rather than comparing us to other industries, how do we compare to our peer groups. Are all other clubs reducing prices and we aren't? Are we more expensive than the competition(is there even competition in that respect though due to the loyalty factor)? Have rugby/cricket/racing ( or other spectator sports) all reduced prices, I've seen various promotions for some racing places from memory, but those offers seem to be the run of the mill stuff they trot out from time to time like our Super-6 promotions tend to be.
I'm just not sure in "this economy" we can reduce prices anymore, as pointed elsewhere, last years inflation figure has actually reduced the price if we want to split hairs.
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jaymo
places like ASDA arent comparable becasue someone will always need to eat. Other retail industries are about choice and escapism though.
I get your point about emotional attatchment though, but somebody could argue that the club is using the emotional attachment of fans and abusing it. Other football clubs have seen reductions or price freezes that almost seem to be happening as a matter of course. Not sure about other spectator sports.
I just know that I think the trotting out of the usual "mad march" scheme is bland and uninspiring at a time where we, quite frankly, need something innovative and exciting to get people involved.
I despair that after finding out we have a dedicated marketing manager this is the best we could come up with.
Reducing prices across the board sounds like a suicidal business strategy.. I assume they went bust ?
If you go in the shops there are reduced prices but its mainly on the crap nobody buys.
The fact is during these difficult times businesses must try to maintain margins to survive.. and simply reducing prices does nothing other than dig a deeper hole. The area that most businesses can do something about is their cost base.. and their borrowings.
North End are no different.. they have a fixed cost base (players wages).... and simply must generate enough income to pay overheads.. unless of course you think Trev should pay the wages ?
Whether you think paying players the money they get is good value for your admission price is another thing ! Personally I don't ! I think its time football woke up and smelt the coffee !
Entertainment wise football comes about 33rd after indoor bowls.. yes in the old days it was much better.. half the fun was watching and listening to the crowd. Watching 35k walking up Deepdale Rd now that was a sight !
I suggest the football authorities just hand over all the trophies at the start of the season to Manchester United and we can all give up the charade of football actually being any sort of real competition... its just a money making business for one or two big clubs owners... the players and assorted hangers on.
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I think that the prices are excellent anyway, I just think the club expect far too much from the existing ticketholders who have been the backbone for many years.
They should be offering the deal to new seasonticketholders in March and existing ones in the summer.
I will not be taking up the Mad March offer, and if I do not get offered the same deal at the end of the season then I'll walk.
It's not really a price issue for me it's the principle of what they're doing which cheeses me off.
Anyone with any ounce of footy knowledge knows that promotion is a pipe dream this season. The club must think that we all think we have a good chance because of what's said in the LEP by the players like Mellor the other day.
I hope AI isn't just using PNE as a stepping stone for another job in the Premiership. He's done a great job with group of players with no bottle. I hope its not another BD type situation.
Rant over!
They should be offering the deal to new seasonticketholders in March and existing ones in the summer.
I will not be taking up the Mad March offer, and if I do not get offered the same deal at the end of the season then I'll walk.
It's not really a price issue for me it's the principle of what they're doing which cheeses me off.
Anyone with any ounce of footy knowledge knows that promotion is a pipe dream this season. The club must think that we all think we have a good chance because of what's said in the LEP by the players like Mellor the other day.
I hope AI isn't just using PNE as a stepping stone for another job in the Premiership. He's done a great job with group of players with no bottle. I hope its not another BD type situation.
Rant over!
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jaymo
No, in fact just as I was leaving, they were reporting a major increase in sales, so it seems the strategy was working.
firstly, uncle trev is paying the wages for all intents and purposes. If he continues covering a shortfall that is.
Secondly im simply saying that IMO its ludicrous to say that the economic downturn is a tenuous reason for someone not attending.
Thirdly im not necessarily talking about price reductions per se, just a decent pricing structure/scheme that gets people excited and gives people a real incentive to get a ST. IMO what the club have done isnt that.
cant really disagree with much of this, but you could have replaced man united with chelsea 2 or 3 seasons ago. Arsenal a few seasons before that.
LOL.. busy fools.. anyone can give stuff away ! Just out of interest does this reduction in prices also mean that wages should be reduced.. I know its going on in many firms.. but what about doctors, teachers and folks on generous state pensions etc i.e. those whose incomes are not under threat but are still benefiting from reduced interest rates and lower prices.. I'm all for reducing costs and helping reduce the crippling debt that our country is now in.. so lets say 10% reduction in incomes paid by the state costs across the board ? If reducing "costs" is your thing it only seems fair everyone should do their bit.
PNE have a fixed cost base.. which is lower than most of the the teams we are competing against !
If we reduce prices we have even less money available to pay the players wages and make signings.. and are therefore even less able to compete ! Reduce prices.. reduce our ability to compete.. simple as !
I can't criticise the club for trying their best to raise money.. but are we witnessing the law of diminishing returns ? As more and more supporters realise that even if we make it.. we would most likely get tonked every week and best we can hope for is to join the Premiership also rans... no real prospect of a bunch of nutters like Vinny Jones and the Crazy Gang coming along and upsetting the status quo anymore.
Money buys success.. end of.. and as a club we just haven't got enough. Man U, Chelsea and Liverpool have enough to virtually buy all the competitions. These days football is run by the "exciting" and baffling rules of corporate accountancy, it lacks genuine spectacle, spontaneity and real characters. Come back Gazza, Frank Worthington, George Best and Stan Bowles.. all is forgiven !
Its a dull gravy train... these days they have to try and generate excitement. The plastic musak played before the game and after goals is enough in itself to put me off for life... there really is no spontaneity any more. Football used to be fun.. the game might be boring but the crowd was often worth the admission alone !
In the past you felt the club meant something to the community but now its just another "entertainment option".. and a fairly pricey one at that.
I've decided after watching PNE since the 60's I'm jumping on a gloryhunting bandwagon so I'm off to watch Preston Tiddlywinks club who are ten points clear at the top of the PLOTW (Premier League of Tiddlywinks)... we have a local derby against the Lashers TWC. If one of them tangerine tiddlywinks hits me there is going to be some serious trouble ! The entrance fee is 35p and tea and biscuits are provided as ammunition..
Football is dead. (But I might pop in from time to time just to see if the corpse shows signs of life.)
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jaymo
but if the current prices are pricing people out (as people are suggesting) then we have less money to compete anyway. A price reduction could (possibly) get more bums on seats.
shaky
The Gentry (RIP)
what brings in more revenue, 12,000 tickets at £250 or 6,000 at £350? 🙄
And which figure would spend more in the clubshop etc.?
Hypothetical I know, but the point is people are not renewing their tickets.
And which figure would spend more in the clubshop etc.?
Hypothetical I know, but the point is people are not renewing their tickets.
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jaymo
Its hard to come up with decent comparisons figures wise without knowing the ST figures in previous years, however the club do have these figures and IMO should be doing more to attract more people in.