Alan Smith

[jaymo]

Parachute payments are a reward for failure & a lever for SKY to attempt to keep the SAME clubs in the top division. For this reason alone they are Anti-Competitive.

im pretty sure, in fact im certian, that parachute payments arent initiated by sky. The premier league decide who gets the money sky pay them.

And ask yourself why would sky want the Premier League to be uncompetitive? surely it devalues their product and in turn means viewing figures would be down.


And saying parachute payments are the reason young players arent developed properly in this country is ridiculous IMO noel.

 

[scoot_nufc]

2. Why do you think your the best supporters in the land? you averaged 12,000 under Ardilles before Keegan took over first time round. And you being called as such is the biggest myth in English football.

Wrong

Unlucky, as i said earlier check the history mate, your making a fool of yourself. Get back to me on the actual average attendance of us in the 70's and 80's. Yes it isn't as big as what it is now, but what exactly is wrong with a team/club gaining more supporters?

You cant call us fucking glory seakers can you, we've won fuck all for 40 years and won nowt domestically for over 50 years. How many other clubs would get 44,000+ in the second tier of english football having just suffered a relegation, having the shittest Owner on the planet, who lets face it has even addmitted he's been in the wrong.


Would Man utd, would Liverpool (wey that doesn't matter, we still get more than them and Chelsea anyway) and would Arsenal? I seriously doubt it.

So as i said, name another club that would get the support we get after winning fuck all and being relegated and having an Owner like ours...

Why do so many Big names in football say we're the best fans in the country?

 

[Jack Daniels]

Wish our board would spunk millions on players. 🙄

Don't fall into the trap that the fans of Leeds did when they 1st came into this league. Total arrogant yorkie fucks they were...and probably will be upon their return. 🙄

Personally,i've no problem with NUFC. You're bigger than us,we're smaller than you,its the way of the world.

 

[clayton_pne]

I have a mate who is a big newcastle fan, went on a few away games with him when I was back in college and he came to some northe end with me and to be honest the amosphere was class with the newcastle fans. To be fair Newcastle fans I have encourntered are always good for a decent football chat and dont seem to have a big club attitude at all to most fans i encounter. Finally in the oub before the game, there were more newcastle fans in there than pne and i didnt find it a problem at all, they were almost overly friendly and reasoanly minded for a footy conversation.

 

[AndySaville]

Would Man utd, would Liverpool (wey that doesn't matter, we still get more than them and Chelsea anyway) and would Arsenal? I seriously doubt it.

So as i said, name another club that would get the support we get after winning fuck all and being relegated and having an Owner like ours...

Why do so many Big names in football say we're the best fans in the country

Yes, yes they would. United got huge crowds in the second tier back in the 70s and scousers have nothing else to do during the day at weekends so Anfield would still be full. Arsenal and Chelsea would be the same.

They don't. You call yourself the 'best fans in the world' and pretend its other people who have labelled you it.

 

[PTID]

Finally, the parachute payments we get are our reward for being in the premiership, the same for every other team relegated,

The reward for being in the premiership is being in the premiership. Parachute payments are sold to us as being about easing the fall from the prem to the division below, not rewarding people.

In my opinion you should get feck all for getting rellegated. Its like rewarding a failure.

 

[worthy10]

Wrong

Unlucky, as i said earlier check the history mate, your making a fool of yourself. Get back to me on the actual average attendance of us in the 70's and 80's. Yes it isn't as big as what it is now, but what exactly is wrong with a team/club gaining more supporters?

You cant call us fucking glory seakers can you, we've won fuck all for 40 years and won nowt domestically for over 50 years. How many other clubs would get 44,000+ in the second tier of english football having just suffered a relegation, having the shittest Owner on the planet, who lets face it has even addmitted he's been in the wrong.


Would Man utd, would Liverpool (wey that doesn't matter, we still get more than them and Chelsea anyway) and would Arsenal? I seriously doubt it.

So as i said, name another club that would get the support we get after winning fuck all and being relegated and having an Owner like ours...

Why do so many Big names in football say we're the best fans in the country?

Listen cockend, read what i put 'UNDER ARDILLES', you quite clearly dont no your clubs history as he was incharge in the early 90s. I never mentioned 70s or 80s, though if i could be arsed wasting my time looking they would be pretty low also.

Looking at the time of your post you were either pissed or you have fuck all better to do in the early hours of the morning after youve wanked off your pit pony. Advise: Go to sleep.

Anyway, you are dilusional if you actually think the rest of the nations clubs supporters think your great, its the press that big you up. Noel gallagher had it right last year when he said theres nothing better than watching fat geordies cry on tele, when the whole nation supposidly feels sorry for them but some of us actually no the truth.

Please take your dilusional posts elsewhere.

 

[jaymo]

The reward for being in the premiership is being in the premiership. Parachute payments are sold to us as being about easing the fall from the prem to the division below, not rewarding people.

In my opinion you should get feck all for getting rellegated. Its like rewarding a failure.

They arent sold like that at all, and never have been.

They're sold to allow clubs to try to compete when they get promoted.

 

[Walrus]

Back to Alan Smith - The bloke is a cock knocker of the highest order, the fact the likes of him and Barton are probably millionaires shows that the way society rewards people is just wrong....

 

[PTID]

They arent sold like that at all, and never have been.

They're sold to allow clubs to try to compete when they get promoted.

I've heard and read several times that this is the reasoning behind them, to compensate financially for dropping a league:

Though designed to help teams adjust to the loss of television revenues (the average Premier League team receives £45 million while the average Football League Championship club receives £1 million[2]),

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_League–Football_League_gulf

Granted they don't always work. Look at Leeds, but that is ALWAYS the way anyone has explained them to me.

One of the best articles I have read about them was from a few years back in WCS:

http://www.wsc.co.uk/content/view/472/29/

And I don't get the last bit. How can they be to try to compete when they get promoted, if you only get them when you come down?

 

[jaymo]

I've heard and read several times that this is the reasoning behind them, to compensate financially for dropping a league:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_League%E2%80%93Football_League_gulf

Granted they don't always work. Look at Leeds, but that is ALWAYS the way anyone has explained them to me.

One of the best articles I have read about them was from a few years back in WCS:

http://www.wsc.co.uk/content/view/472/29/

And I don't get the last bit. How can they be to try to compete when they get promoted, if you only get them when you come down?

Well they allow you to pay the wages to compete without the fear of financial meltdown within a year if it fails.

Look at burnley as an example, although they've hardly gone silly wages wise, how much would an increase in your average wage from 7k to 10k+ a week, with a couple of extra players (hardly what you would call frivolous) affect a club like that if they did go down?

the parachute payments give you a year of 2 to get your house in order and cut your cloth accordingly.

Now I understand that thats in principle, and that in practice they dont really work like that (see leeds, charlton, southampton, birmingham, sheff utd as examples of clubs who have used them to finance another promotion push) which is wrong.

and dotn get me wrong, jsut because I can see things objectively doesnt mean im necessarily a fan of parachute payments. but in theory I do think they are a good idea, in practice they are fucking disgusting.



Also, one other benefit that may be overlooked (and its kind of alluded to in that article) is that they can redistribute some of the wealth (albeit in a funny and very capitalist way).

For instance, would we really have got the "club saving" 4.5m from Boro for SSL without parachute payments in place? Remember Brum going down and spending 4m on Jerome thats helped Cardiff to push on to realistic promotion contenders?

Also like when Birmingham went up season jsut gone we receive a cut of the untaken Payments too.


Like I say, not a fan, but I can see why benefits of them. In theory. Plus, arent there Parachute payments for every division? I dont see peopel crawing about how unfiar it is for L1 clubs?

 

[PTID]

and dotn get me wrong, jsut because I can see things objectively doesnt mean im necessarily a fan of parachute payments. but in theory I do think they are a good idea, in practice they are fucking disgusting.

You are right.

The theory of them, regardless of the reason or what not you believe for them being set up, is decent enough. I mean it stands to reason that a club that comes down from the prem will have wage issues. However I am a firm believer that the wages paid in the prem (football in general actually) have been fashioned by the prem clubs and they only have themselves to blame.

I don't agree with clubs being given 3 years of payments should they come down. If they come down, tough shit. Do what the rest of us do and live within you means. (oooh the irony 🙄). You can't carry on paying prem wages in this division. And I don't believe they should be helped to.

Plus, arent there Parachute payments for every division? I dont see peopel crawing about how unfiar it is for L1 clubs?

I don't know that. But I would expect people dont crow about those because they are not in the same league money wise? Either way, I still don't agree. You go down, you go down. Tough shit.

 

[jaymo]

I don't know that. But I would expect people dont crow about those because they are not in the same league money wise? Either way, I still don't agree. You go down, you go down. Tough shit.

I find it hypocritical persoanlly. PNE fans complain about Parachute payments for one reason IMO, and thats that we havent benefitted from them.

Same when we all complain about the massive gap in TV money from the prem to the championship, blissfully unaware the drop is roughly the same ration as the drop from the championship to L1.

Or when people say that the prem should give some of the money they get from selling their product to lower leagues when the recent BBC TV coverage deal for championship games has almost entirely benefitted Championship clubs only.


IMO if we want to take the moral high ground on things like this we should get our own house in order first.


oh and just on this point.

I don't agree with clubs being given 3 years of payments should they come down. If they come down, tough shit. Do what the rest of us do and live within you means. (oooh the irony 🙄). You can't carry on paying prem wages in this division. And I don't believe they should be helped to.

Its a problem with football in general. unfortuantely players have contracts.

 

[PTID]

I find it hypocritical persoanlly. PNE fans complain about Parachute payments for one reason IMO, and thats that we havent benefitted from them.

Same when we all complain about the massive gap in TV money from the prem to the championship, blissfully unaware the drop is roughly the same ration as the drop from the championship to L1.

Or when people complain that the prem should give some of the money they get from selling their product to lower leagues when the recent BBC tv coverage deal for championship games has almost entirely benefitted Championship clubs only.


IMO if we want to take the moral high ground on things like this we should get our own house in order first.

Fair enough. I still don't agree with them, whether you find it hypocritical or not. As for players being on contract still tough shit in my opinion.

Anyway, I still don't like Smith.

 

[jaymo]

Anyway, I still don't like Smith.

Soemthing we can all agree on. The cunt.

 

[JK]

Wrong


Why do so many Big names in football say we're the best fans in the country?

Name one then and provide the quote to back up the above statement.]

FWIW I quite like Newcastle as a city, and most Geordies I have met are sound, however it would appear that a large number of your Football Club's supporters are arseholes, so you deserve the chairman you have got.

You are all a bunch of fucking hypercritical prats, when Ashley first bought the club, and was standing with the fans, wearing his shirt etc he was the best thing since sliced bread.

 

[noelpne]

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And ask yourself why would sky want the Premier League to be uncompetitive?


Uncompetitive in the sense that they want all the potentially biggest/same Clubs rather than any new ( and usually smaller ) teams.

Don't you think that SKY profits would be larger if.....instead of e.g. Burnley & Stoke being there - it was Newcastle & Leeds, instead ? Becuase those 2 Cities contain many more prospective SKY sports subscibers than Dingles/Potters.
[ And I'm willing to bet that they would be supportive (if they could) of the mooted idea of Celtic/Rangers in the mix. Of course that's only my conjecture ]


surely it devalues their product and in turn means viewing figures would be down.


And saying parachute payments are the reason young players arent developed properly in this country is ridiculous IMO noel.

I beg your pardon, I seem to have misled you if that's what I wrote - it's not the Parachute Payments (a small 'pot'........compared...... to those payments that SKY give to the other Clubs for the T.V. for the coverage of their games......) but it's those SKY T.V. payments themselves that go to the Clubs that then go to their players - in wages, rather than to be invested in Youth Team etc. etc. development.
Tell me how many Newcastle , Liverpool , Citeh & Chelsea 'Youth' / 'reservists' have come through into their respective First-Teams in the last Decade ?. I dare say 'not-a-lot'. Arsenal do it with foreign kids. Spurs and Villa are finally making amends. Chelsea have had Terry & Liverpool have Gerrard and Carragher. Utd. yes, a decade ago but how long can Giggs & Scholes go on?

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[noelpne]

Soemthing we can all agree on. The cunt.

Agreed.

I knew he was a bad 'un when he kissed that seasons edition of the LUFC badge, those years ago. Then he went straight to Old Trafford.