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Ambition

northender2 said:
Someone i know shared this on twitter the other day, shows how well they've done in the transfer market and how well they have done from re-investing the money they've recouped form player sales, meanwhile PNE sell players and no one know what happens to the money

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It's no accident though, they identify players in the right way they player trade in the right way, it's a deliberate strategy/plan, something that pne wouldn't know if it slapped them in the face.
 
northender2 said:
Someone i know shared this on twitter the other day, shows how well they've done in the transfer market and how well they have done from re-investing the money they've recouped form player sales, meanwhile PNE sell players and no one know what happens to the money

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Copy ,paste , send to Trevor
 
I'm 67 and never seen PNE in the top fight. West Ham for me was the real chance. I now feel that I will never see them in the top flight.
Lack of investment at crucial times has been a big problem and with the current regime I can't see much change on the horizon.
I will buy my season ticket as usual this year but not sure how much longer I will ( financialy) support mediocre ambition from the club I have always supported.
Sad really but the lack of ambtion and support for managers is driving me to think in such a way.
 
SMURF said:
I'm 67 and never seen PNE in the top fight. West Ham for me was the real chance. I now feel that I will never see them in the top flight.
Lack of investment at crucial times has been a big problem and with the current regime I can't see much change on the horizon.
I will buy my season ticket as usual this year but not sure how much longer I will ( financialy) support mediocre ambition from the club I have always supported.
Sad really but the lack of ambtion and support for managers is driving me to think in such a way.
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It's an absolute joke smurf, and you're absolutely bang on, we're peppered with missed opportunities and lazy approaches.

But lack of investment imo maybe isn't the silver bullet I used to think it was, it's a total lack of imagination, planning and vision. Have as much investment as you want without a plan what's the point?
 
Realistic said:
I don't think it was bad luck to lose the two finals. Maybe against Bolton we were inferior but against West Ham we weren't, and yet we were hopeless, petrified (it looked like) before we'd kicked a ball and yet we'd beaten them twice in that season.

There's no doubt that PNE have had their chances, but in classic PNE tradition, we f*cked it up. Some clubs just seem to develop a kind of losing 'mentality', others a winning one, even though there's no logic behind it. The only exception was the fantastic 2015 play off win which was a massive relief but not enough to undo all the previous calamities.

I'm sick of seeing other clubs going up and us going nowhere but blaming Hemmings is too easy IMHO. Even when we were close to the play offs under Alex Neil, we let that chance drift away as if it wasn't worth pushing for. I don't have the answers.
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Last paragraph, totally agree. I feel a tad embarrassed for grown men literally stamping their feet on here that THEY haven't seen PNE in the top flight (it's not a right) then turning that frustration on the guy who, as flawed as he is, has put an absolute fortune in.

If Hemmings was to 'go for it' his gamble would be that we would finish ahead of three other teams including three who have come down with last year's TV money and parachute payments. Out of a league of 24. It does make sense that he won't just give a manager a kitty as there are absolutely no guarantees it would make a difference.

Tin hat on.
 
Durutti said:
Last paragraph, totally agree. I feel a tad embarrassed for grown men literally stamping their feet on here that THEY haven't seen PNE in the top flight (it's not a right) then turning that frustration on the guy who, as flawed as he is, has put an absolute fortune in.

If Hemmings was to 'go for it' his gamble would be that we would finish ahead of three other teams including three who have come down with last year's TV money and parachute payments. Out of a league of 24. It does make sense that he won't just give a manager a kitty as there are absolutely no guarantees it would make a difference.

Tin hat on.
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Yawn yawn yawn. Brentford, Brentford, Brentford
 
Realistic said:
I don't think it was bad luck to lose the two finals. Maybe against Bolton we were inferior but against West Ham we weren't, and yet we were hopeless, petrified (it looked like) before we'd kicked a ball and yet we'd beaten them twice in that season.

There's no doubt that PNE have had their chances, but in classic PNE tradition, we f*cked it up. Some clubs just seem to develop a kind of losing 'mentality', others a winning one, even though there's no logic behind it. The only exception was the fantastic 2015 play off win which was a massive relief but not enough to undo all the previous calamities.

I'm sick of seeing other clubs going up and us going nowhere but blaming Hemmings is too easy IMHO. Even when we were close to the play offs under Alex Neil, we let that chance drift away as if it wasn't worth pushing for. I don't have the answers.
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This is pretty much how I see it, from top to bottom we’ve just lacked bottle when it matters and too often managers and players knew that it was okay to fail in a final as we were ‘lucky’ to be there. This message came from the top way before Hemmings called the shots and I didn’t understand it then and still don’t now.

We need to move away from that mindset and light some fires to actually have a proper go. It doesn’t have to be about budget or crowds it’s about intent.
 
Realistic said:
I don't think it was bad luck to lose the two finals. Maybe against Bolton we were inferior but against West Ham we weren't, and yet we were hopeless, petrified (it looked like) before we'd kicked a ball and yet we'd beaten them twice in that season.

There's no doubt that PNE have had their chances, but in classic PNE tradition, we f*cked it up. Some clubs just seem to develop a kind of losing 'mentality', others a winning one, even though there's no logic behind it. The only exception was the fantastic 2015 play off win which was a massive relief but not enough to undo all the previous calamities.

I'm sick of seeing other clubs going up and us going nowhere but blaming Hemmings is too easy IMHO. Even when we were close to the play offs under Alex Neil, we let that chance drift away as if it wasn't worth pushing for. I don't have the answers.
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And I went to both games against West Ham that season. Played them off the park at the Boleyn Ground.
 
FredElseFlyer said:
Yawn yawn yawn. Brentford, Brentford, Brentford
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Might be better to actually post something of substance than try to be rude as it doesn't do you any favours. I think there is an ignore feature on here, so fill your boots.

For the record, I have always supported the Brentford approach since they started using a mathematical approach to player acquisition and I knew it would work so don't get your point at all. It isn't about throwing money at the situation, that's for sure and I do wish PNE would take a leaf out of their book.
 
northender2 said:
Someone i know shared this on twitter the other day, shows how well they've done in the transfer market and how well they have done from re-investing the money they've recouped form player sales, meanwhile PNE sell players and no one know what happens to the money

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They've got the Andre Gray price wrong, he cost Burnley a record £6m. Burnley later sold him to Watford for £18m and spent £15m of that on Chris Wood from Leeds.

TJH seems to have a mental block 99% of the time on any fee above £1.3m, Whiteman being the exception.

I'm sick of being a North End fan at the minute, talk from the hierarchy every pre-season about "ambitions to reach The Premier League" and then we sign some reserve from the bottom half of L1.

Enough "talking the talk", time to actually "walk the walk".

Sadly, I really think that the two in control don't care one jot if we never make the top flight.

Sad state of affairs.
 
northender2 said:
Someone i know shared this on twitter the other day, shows how well they've done in the transfer market and how well they have done from re-investing the money they've recouped form player sales, meanwhile PNE sell players and no one know what happens to the money

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So is all their transfer activity over that period? Or just the ones where they have made big profit? Pretty impressive if it’s the full picture
 
Durutti said:
Might be better to actually post something of substance than try to be rude as it doesn't do you any favours. I think there is an ignore feature on here, so fill your boots.

For the record, I have always supported the Brentford approach since they started using a mathematical approach to player acquisition and I knew it would work so don't get your point at all. It isn't about throwing money at the situation, that's for sure and I do wish PNE would take a leaf out of their book.
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Not rude, just pointing out how boring it is to see you constantly repeating your Trevor is God post on every thread. We know that's what you think. Many more of us disagree and Brentford have shown why.
 
Jack Daniels said:
They've got the Andre Gray price wrong, he cost Burnley a record £6m. Burnley later sold him to Watford for £18m and spent £15m of that on Chris Wood from Leeds.

TJH seems to have a mental block 99% of the time on any fee above £1.3m, Whiteman being the exception.

I'm sick of being a North End fan at the minute, talk from the hierarchy every pre-season about "ambitions to reach The Premier League" and then we sign some reserve from the bottom half of L1.

Enough "talking the talk", time to actually "walk the walk".

Sadly, I really think that the two in control don't care one jot if we never make the top flight.

Sad state of affairs.
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Spot on
 
Thracia said:
Brentford have shown you don't need parachute money, you don't need bigger than 11k crowds - so all those excuses can now be consigned to the bin.

You just need a plan, commitment, investment, and some hard work.

We're not too interested in any of that though.
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Very true but anyone who has followed the Brentford story knows it's a very long term project with some hairy moments.

Would PNE fans, for example, be happy with mid table mediocrity for a few seasons if we blooded lots of new young signings from all over the place signed on the cheap? I'm not sure everyone would be happy with that. I personally would.
 
Jack Daniels said:
They've got the Andre Gray price wrong, he cost Burnley a record £6m. Burnley later sold him to Watford for £18m and spent £15m of that on Chris Wood from Leeds.

TJH seems to have a mental block 99% of the time on any fee above £1.3m, Whiteman being the exception.

I'm sick of being a North End fan at the minute, talk from the hierarchy every pre-season about "ambitions to reach The Premier League" and then we sign some reserve from the bottom half of L1.

Enough "talking the talk", time to actually "walk the walk".

Sadly, I really think that the two in control don't care one jot if we never make the top flight.

Sad state of affairs.
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That's a fact...
 
Thracia said:
Brentford have shown you don't need parachute money, you don't need bigger than 11k crowds - so all those excuses can now be consigned to the bin.

You just need a plan, commitment, investment, and some hard work.

We're not too interested in any of that though.
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That’s the difference between us and them - we sell out top players and non of the money is reinvested in as good or better up and coming players e.g. Robinson, Cunningham, Hugill, etc whilst Brentford’s owner lets his manager/coach reinvest the money from their sales. This makes a massive difference
 
Durutti said:
Very true but anyone who has followed the Brentford story knows it's a very long term project with some hairy moments.

Would PNE fans, for example, be happy with mid table mediocrity for a few seasons if we blooded lots of new young signings from all over the place signed on the cheap? I'm not sure everyone would be happy with that. I personally would.
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Yes please.

If I see an actual long term plan, I'll be far happier than what we have now.
 
Durutti said:
Very true but anyone who has followed the Brentford story knows it's a very long term project with some hairy moments.

Would PNE fans, for example, be happy with mid table mediocrity for a few seasons if we blooded lots of new young signings from all over the place signed on the cheap? I'm not sure everyone would be happy with that. I personally would.
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Yes, because we’d be on our way to having a semblance of an identity. Right now we have nothing that defines what North End is, except “paid the taxman”
 
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