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Libertine said:
What is this madness suggestion 🤣
If this could be done Peter would have thought of it.
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Can't do it when 2/5 of signings working is your mantra.

I wonder if Brentford or Burnley work to that same model.

I mean that phrase is just complete shite, theoretically it would mean that in our starting 11 only 4/5 players at any given time are good enough.

Imagine using a saying from the 70's or whenever it was to justify yourself in the 21st century.

It's like saying that Henry could still be the PL top goal scorer if he put his boots on today because he did it in the 2000's.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
Would you say haemorrhaging cash is pissing it up the wall on players like Ledson and Woodburn or haemorrhaging cash in the way it makes a loss year on year but is ultimately covering itself with player sales and trading?

I think the club should be buying players, improving them (Pearson, Johnson, Davies, Robinson, Woodman, Whiteman, McCann, Riis, Hugill etc) and then selling on for a good profit and using that money to then reinvest and purchase the next prospect.

Not just haemorrhaging cash in the Championship because thats the status quo.
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If I was interested in staying in the Championship and maintaining Championship spending levels to get somewhere, yes, I'd be wanting to do things a lot better than we are doing, including all those things you suggest.

But these owners don't seem to me to be interested in any of that. Nothing they have said or done suggests they have any interest in it. It looks like a £0 transfer budget, one-year deals and lucky loans all round again.

We mainly spend our cash on player wages. We have a huge wage bill for a club our size, although it came down last summer, and will undoubtedly come down again this summer. I think all the owners' focus is on that.
 
Thracia said:
If I was interested in staying in the Championship and maintaining Championship spending levels to get somewhere, yes, I'd be wanting to do things a lot better than we are doing, including all those things you suggest.

But these owners don't seem to me to be interested in any of that. Nothing they have said or done suggests they have any interest in it. It looks like a £0 transfer budget, one-year deals and lucky loans all round again.

We mainly spend our cash on player wages. We have a huge wage bill for a club our size, although it came down last summer, and will undoubtedly come down again this summer. I think all the owners' focus is on that.
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Which I don't agree with, considering what we get for our large wage bill.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
The huge size of our wage bill.
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Last season our wage bill was £24m against £12.4m turnover, contributing £11.6m to our £15.5m total loss.

The wages/turnover ratio is 193%. That's big even for indulgent owners.

Our owners, on the other hand, will undoubtedly want that ratio much closer to 100%. I bet it is closer now, after last summer's clearout, and I bet by the end of this summer it will be closer still, and not because the turnover figure has increased much either.

Put to one side the (no doubt valid) contention that a £24m wage bill is modest for a Championship club - because the counter-argument from the owners might be "then why are we a Championship club?" and "what would the wage bill be in League One?"
 
simo said:
I think the reality is that we've been lucky to survive as long as we have.

I have been saying for months now that I expect next season to be a shitshow as I expect the budget to be cut further and we simply aren't clever enough to work our way around that.
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Yeah, if we'd spent the TH years building a top-notch academy, say, we might now be enjoying the fruits of a production line of young talent, to make up for the fact we can't afford to buy it in.

But we didn't.
 
Thracia said:
Last season our wage bill was £24m against £12.4m turnover, contributing £11.6m to our £15.5m total loss.

The wages/turnover ratio is 193%. That's big even for indulgent owners.

Our owners, on the other hand, will undoubtedly want that ratio much closer to 100%. I bet it is closer now, after last summer's clearout, and I bet by the end of this summer it will be closer still, and not because the turnover figure has increased much either.

Put to one side the (no doubt valid) contention that a £24m wage bill is modest for a Championship club - because the counter-argument from the owners might be "then why are we a Championship club?" and "what would the wage bill be in League One?"
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What's that like compared to others?

And turnover to wages ratio?
 
Thracia said:
Our wage bill is bottom third, our wages/turnover ratio is top third.
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Thanks Thracia for providing some real info to base discussions on!

There are quite a few posts on here about how the fan base has done all it can and the ownership haven't done enough.

The reality is the fan base has been great, but to be at all competitive we are reliant on the continued generosity of our owners.

it's a shame that the business model hasn't been developed - but the fact is that this is the case at just about all Championship clubs.
 
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All that shows me is what we all already know, we need to stop pissing money up the wall on the likes of -

Harrop, Maguire, Ledson, Olusunde, Wickham, Thomas, Brown etc.

Luton, Coventry, Millwall, Birmingham even Rotherham put our recruitment to shame when they're signing players like -

Flemming, Gykores, Woodrow, Ogbene, Morris, Chong etc.
 
jakehake said:
Couldn't find a tweet but maybe these from Swanseas are closest as only a couple of figures pre-date 2022
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If he wasn't so distracted with Brighton's quest for Europe, he'd also take Sheff Wed out, and put Peterborough and Sheff Utd in... 😆
 
Alpine White said:
Thanks Thracia for providing some real info to base discussions on!

There are quite a few posts on here about how the fan base has done all it can and the ownership haven't done enough.

The reality is the fan base has been great, but to be at all competitive we are reliant on the continued generosity of our owners.

it's a shame that the business model hasn't been developed - but the fact is that this is the case at just about all Championship clubs.
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That's kind of a separate discussion - are the owners making best use of the money they put in? The answer depends on whether you think survival or the play-offs are the goal. I think the club (from owner to manager) point at wherever we end up every season and declare "see? Mission accomplished!"

I don't think anyone has suggested a Championship club our size can survive without heavy owner investment - that goes with the territory. TH accepted that. But do these new owners accept that?

We have cut our budget this season - from a high that was partly caused by Covid, but also partly caused by a wacky player and manager recruitment policy - and it looks like the cuts are continuing this summer.

We didn't do very well with what we already had - just 7 home wins and 20 home goals, just 25 away goals scored, most failures-to-score in the division, no goalscorer making double figures, fewer league points than the Frankie season - so having even less of it next season surely only points one way?
 
Thracia said:
That's kind of a separate discussion - are the owners making best use of the money they put in? The answer depends on whether you think survival or the play-offs are the goal. I think the club (from owner to manager) point at wherever we end up every season and declare "see? Mission accomplished!"

I don't think anyone has suggested a Championship club our size can survive without heavy owner investment - that goes with the territory. TH accepted that. But do these new owners accept that?

We have cut our budget this season - from a high that was partly caused by Covid, but also partly caused by a wacky player and manager recruitment policy - and it looks like the cuts are continuing this summer.

We didn't do very well with what we already had - just 7 home wins and 20 home goals, just 25 away goals scored, most failures-to-score in the division, no goalscorer making double figures, fewer league points than the Frankie season - so having even less of it next season surely only points one way?
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You could almost certainly do better with less but that takes quite a lot of planning and thought, which I simply don't think we are capable of.

Keep the same people in place with less and we're basically trusting to luck that the odd punt of loan signing plays our way. You can't rely on that, obviously.
 
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