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Derek and the board bottle it !

Derek and the board bottle it !

yoga said:
Theres nothing i'd like more than a live debate between shaw and Voldemort....its something i'd definately want a ticket for
Think i'd have a few bob on DS being verbally torn to shreds🙄
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I'm bored so I decided to take you off my ignore list for an hour.

I can think of a few things you'd like more....

1) Friends.

2) A woman

3) A blanket.

4) Some string to keep you're pants up.

5) Hair.

6) Some/any musical talent.

7) A small dog ( one with sad eyes) that could help you beg.

I'm now putting you back on ignore.

Cheers.
 
kc1968 said:
I'm not stopping him from having his 'right' to have opinions am I? And I have proved him wrong on many occasion as you well know. He also does not state facts. He states opinions. The danger is that young impressionable people will mistake his opinion as fact and grow up to become useless in life.🙂
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You may have proved him wrong on many occasion, I don't really know, the fact is that like him or loathe him, some of his opinions are shared by others.
We know that Shaw always seems err on the side of caution, it seems to a Lancastrian trait, but unless something is done in the name of taking this club forward, we will only stagnate. Stagnation in football as in business usually means you eventually start to go down.

When you cast your mind back over the last 6 or 7 years this club under Shaw have had at least 2 outstanding opportunities to achieve promotion. Once under Moyes, then Davies. Both managers left because they they felt that they could NOT take this club any further. That's a fact not an opinion.
Davies left under a cloud. I think that he regrets his actions at that time.

The play off finals against Bolton & West Ham? This where in both games we came up woefully short of having that extra something. Both managers and supporters that lived in the real world knew this, so it came as no surprise that we were soundly beaten on both occasions.

Shaw wants promotion on the cheap. Don't ever think otherwise. Without proper investment & 20,000 plus gates North End's dreams of being a top flight team are dreams. Pipedreams.
 
metalmania said:
You may have proved him wrong on many occasion, I don't really know, the fact is that like him or loathe him, some of his opinions are shared by others.
We know that Shaw always seems err on the side of caution, it seems to a Lancastrian trait, but unless something is done in the name of taking this club forward, we will only stagnate. Stagnation in football as in business usually means you eventually start to go down.

When you cast your mind back over the last 6 or 7 years this club under Shaw have had at least 2 outstanding opportunities to achieve promotion. Once under Moyes, then Davies. Both managers left because they they felt that they could NOT take this club any further. That's a fact not an opinion.
Davies left under a cloud. I think that he regrets his actions at that time.

The play off finals against Bolton & West Ham? This where in both games we came up woefully short of having that extra something. Both managers and supporters that lived in the real world knew this, so it came as no surprise that we were soundly beaten on both occasions.

Shaw wants promotion on the cheap. Don't ever think otherwise. Without proper investment & 20,000 plus gates North End's dreams of being a top flight team are dreams. Pipedreams.
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We can all want want want Metalmania. But that doesn't make things happen. Anyone can restate the problems. Any loudmouth can say, it is so easy, lets have a revolution then it will be so much better, trust me. And so some fools will believe them but that solves nothing.

The world is littered with failed demagogues.

Surely you have more about you than to believe that some cockney loudmouth who spouts off every time we lose has got all the answers.
 
yoga said:
Theres nothing i'd like more than a live debate between shaw and Voldemort....its something i'd definately want a ticket for
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Well Andrew has had this chance at the AGM's for years, but only ever asks one question, and then he can not understand the answer!

He is in marketing dont you know?:gentry:
 
kc1968 said:
Surely you have more about you than to believe that some cockney loudmouth who spouts off every time we lose has got all the answers.
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I do understand where you're coming from, but nobody gets it wrong all the time. The thread that Voldemort posted I have commented on. He does make some very good points of which I basically agree with. Doesn't matter if I like or dislike him as a contributor.
North End have in my view missed two boats to the Prem'. Moyes & Davies. Now we are getting what we deserve as a club. You cannot go on a 1st class holiday with 3rd class tickets.
 
metalmania said:
I do understand where you're coming from, but nobody gets it wrong all the time. The thread that Voldemort posted I have commented on. He does make some very good points of which I basically agree with. Doesn't matter if I like or dislike him as a contributor.
North End have in my view missed two boats to the Prem'. Moyes & Davies. Now we are getting what we deserve as a club. You cannot go on a 1st class holiday with 3rd class tickets.
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he makes some excellent points sometimes, the problem is he dilutes them with personal bile, regurgitated boring views, and, what sometimes just flat out amounts to, a lack of football sense.
 
KC you have not won one single battle with me on here due to your own failings.

Now, other issues. I have not only identified our failings I have set out a series of proposals to address those problems.On many occasions I've stimulated debate generating several thousand hits on things as diverse as the restructuring of the youth system. You on the other hand have proven yourself to be a person of no substance. You conitnually snipe from the sidelines imagining yourself to be some intellectual wit. The truth is you are a million miles away from that boy. So what is the point of you being on here ?

You know what KC, after almost half a century of PNE in the wilderness I know I'm right and people like you are wrong. Our club has got it wrong for half a lifetime ! You are incapable of identifying our real problems and you certainly have no idea of the way forward.
 
Voldemort said:
KC you have not won one single battle with me on here due to your own failings.

Now, other issues. I have not only identified our failings I have set out a series of proposals to address those problems.On many occasions I've stimulated debate generating several thousand hits on things as diverse as the restructuring of the youth system. You on the other hand have proven yourself to be a person of no substance. You conitnually snipe from the sidelines imagining yourself to be some intellectual wit. The truth is you are a million miles away from that boy. So what is the point of you being on here ?

You know what KC, after almost half a century of PNE in the wilderness I know I'm right and people like you are wrong. Our club has got it wrong for half a lifetime ! You are incapable of identifying our real problems and you certainly have no idea of the way forward.
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And this is why you are such a maggot infested idiot. You see things in terms of winning and losing battles not as reasoned debates where you actual LISTEN AND TAKE ON BOARD what others say. And that is why you can never yield or admit that you were wrong even though Nick Ward will haunt you for the rest of your life.

Whenever things are off colour, you leap out of your bunker like a disease attacking all that is good. Isn't it time you stopped plaguing PNE and just fooked off to West Ham?
 
the_pieman_cometh said:
A few question marks are starting to appear over AI and his ability tactically to change the game and motivating the team wise away, and with respect to the job he's done for us since Nov 07, they are all pertinent questions. AI is trying harder than the players to get around this bad patch. And just how would AI put that right you ask?

Getting players isn't at Irvine's disposal that much is certain, he knew this would be the case when he took over so can't act too surprised now he isn't getting the backing from DS & Co. He's got to make the best out of a bad bunch.

How can a team that plays great stuff at home with more or less the same players forget how to defend when on the road? go from looking up for it to showing a total lack of interest? It's weirder than weird. It's as if they get abducted before they go away from home then return back to earth for the home games!!🙄 We need to develop a system very similar to one we play at home, where everybody knows their jobs and we play to a plan. Once we have that in place, it's down to the players to make sure they apply it.
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A team that pays great stuff at home are you having a laugh or what? We have been very lucky at home all season in fact rubbish on most occasions. We have never dicked anoyone 3:0 like we normally do have we?
 
Voldemort said:
KC you have not won one single battle with me on here due to your own failings.

Now, other issues. I have not only identified our failings I have set out a series of proposals to address those problems.On many occasions I've stimulated debate generating several thousand hits on things as diverse as the restructuring of the youth system. You on the other hand have proven yourself to be a person of no substance. You conitnually snipe from the sidelines imagining yourself to be some intellectual wit. The truth is you are a million miles away from that boy. So what is the point of you being on here ?

You know what KC, after almost half a century of PNE in the wilderness I know I'm right and people like you are wrong. Our club has got it wrong for half a lifetime ! You are incapable of identifying our real problems and you certainly have no idea of the way forward.
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I'd say lack of ideas is at the top of our list of problems
Shaw is merely following the "traditions" of other pne chairmen that have failed to bring top flight football back to deepdale since 1961
48 failed attempts at say your driving test would make you a laughing stock,48 failed attempts at top flight football strangely gets the accolade "well done derek"🙁
 
yoga said:
I'd say lack of ideas is at the top of our list of problems
Shaw is merely following the "traditions" of other pne chairmen that have failed to bring top flight football back to deepdale since 1961
48 failed attempts at say your driving test would make you a laughing stock,48 failed attempts at top flight football strangely gets the accolade "well done derek"🙁
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and ridiculous coment of the week goes too ...


WELL DONE YOGA!
 
jaymo said:
and ridiculous coment of the week goes too ...


WELL DONE YOGA!
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Is there a trophy😕


I love trophys and have quite a few......farang most likely to marry a ladyboy memorial shield,busker of the year invitation cup and avoiding the singapore cops for 12 days medal for gallantry
I also got a silver medal in the most handsome irishman grand final....just pipped by martin mcguiness in that one
 
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jaymo said:
and ridiculous coment of the week goes too ...


WELL DONE YOGA!
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my opinion of Derek has gone through the roof that he's been masterminding these attempts since he was at primary school, with some attempts involving 3 promotions per season. And yet they say he is un-ambitious.
 
jakehake said:
my opinion of Derek has gone through the roof that he's been masterminding these attempts since he was at primary school, with some attempts involving 3 promotions per season. And yet they say he is un-ambitious.
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Breaking news: derek shaw expected to be among the front runners in the 2009 heroic failure annual award
 
Mr.Woods certainly has hit home with some good points but now we need the vision. Can we have a plan to get our great club out of this mire? Identifying the problems is only half the job, sorting them out is where the big boys earn their crust.

We all want top flight football (maybe even the club do) but how do we achieve it? Answers on a post card to Mr.D.Shaw, PNEFC, Sir Tom Finney Way, Deepdale, Preston.
 
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