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shabbagaz

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I very rarely start threads on here but after tonight I just want to air some of my views in general. I know some won't agree with me, some may think 'what the fuck' and I expect some to lambast me, but fuck it.

For me, tonight was a huge, huge low point. Yes, I know we've had it worse - Westley's tenure, well what do you say about that?! But I think tonight was the lowest I have felt for a long time. I've seen some truly disgusting performances in my time - Luton was bad enough but I thought tonight was even worse.
I can expect a poor performance here and there - hell you don't always get your own way in football but the least I expect is some honesty, effort and desire - we had none of that tonight and I was truly ashamed by the attitude of most of those players just strolling around like their holidays were round the corner and playing as if they had flip flops on.

Now, I've not been supporting North End for as long as many others on here. 1992 was roundabout the time I first properly got into it, aged 8, although I had been going on from a young age.
I remember those early days fondly even though we weren't particularly great. I didn't attend every home game but luckily in those days you could get on for free for the last 20 mins or so which I took advantage of. The Kop was often my place to go - I thought it was fantastic, a great sweeping terrace, ticker tape, 'confetti' made from cut up copies of the Loot newspaper, balloons, barmy army, the lot. I loved it and miss those days.
Another fond memory is getting autographs from the players - one distinct memory is of getting Paul Raynor's and Tony Ellis' autographs in the old club shop on Lowthorpe Road.

'Them were the days' - we may have been slugging it out in the bottom division but at least we were watching players who gave their all. What they lacked in talent (albeit tbf some were talented) they more than made up for it guts, determination and effort.

We of course had the Baxi takeover and a huge upturn in fortune rising to the Championship (then Div 1). We were certainly privileged to see some brilliant, talented players pass through our doors who were an absolute joy to watch - Macken, Fuller, Claude Davis, Mawene, Appleton, Gregan - that's just naming a few but I'd be here all night otherwise! It was just the talent though - again they were players who gave their all for the club and I'm proud to say I saw them play.

It's just a shame we came up short a few times - a recurring theme with this club. All the ifs, buts and maybes - we just needed that little bit more but sadly we just didn't have that bit more extra backing to push us over the line.

Back to the present day - yes there have been bad times like the relegation to League 1 and the bizarre tenure of Westley but I walked away tonight feeling thoroughly fed up. A truly crap performance and walking away thinking 'will it ever be our time'? We've seen all our local neighbours stroll past us and had their time in the limelight whist we have stood by, treading water and just grateful to survive. Is that all we've got to accept and hope for? It's a pretty dismal thing to accept.
I'm thoroughly pissed off and numerous things were going round my mind - one thing I was doing was comparing all today's players to those in the past and I thought "My God, these players aren't fit to lace their boots" - it's a strong opinion admittedly but one I think is justified after tonight and several other dreadful performances.
I also freely admit to singling out one player - Alan Browne, but most specifically his tenure as captain. I compared his leadership qualities to the likes of Bryson, Gregan, Alexander, Lucketti to name a few. He possesses not one of the all the qualities these players had and I just think he doesn't possess any leadership skills - the mess of that midfield tonight was a good example.
His form in general - I just think he has massively regressed and is nowhere near the player he was when he won POTY. It's a crying shame and I had hoped he would re-find that form but he hasn't come anywhere close.
Another thing, he and Lowe can waffle on about how bad things were, again, but all this talk and no action has become rather tiresome.

To save me from singling just one player out, I'll pick more. DJ - he frustrates the crap out of me. On his day, he's a class act but yet again he, like Browne, seems to have regressed and his laid-back attitude tonight, shite passing and half-assed challenges were completely unacceptable - buck the fuck up DJ. As for the defence - sadly Bauer just doesn't seem up for it anymore which is incredibly sad to see. Without doubt his worst performance in a white shirt and should be thoroughly ashamed of himself tonight, as should everyone else.

Anyway, I admit I feel thoroughly fed up - I'll probably be better tomorrow but I stand by my views. I've often been a vocal critic on here of the club and some of my reasons admittedly are personal. I've often hinted at why but never told the full story - I won't here as I don't think it will be well received but maybe at some point in the future I will.

Apologies for waffling on - I'm just tired of the constant mediocrity around the club. We've been 'nearly men' in the past but now we don't even get that. All we get is a stream of barely average signings (with some odd exceptions) and I'm tired of the attitude of just surviving and treading water - that's nothing to get excited about. Hell, Luton Town ended up in non-league and now look where they are - in the Championship play-off places and they've barely spent a fraction of what others have.
Tonight wasn't good enough (huge understatement) and the club needs a big shake up. The season ticket announcement was a big positive (typical of North End to spoil it though!!) but it's going to take much more than that.
It was painfully obvious that a lot of these players simply aren't fit to wear the shirt - I know it's easy to say we need a squad overhaul but that is exactly what we need.

I was hoping for a takeover and fresh ideas etc brought into the club but obviously that's not going to happen.

It's time for positive action - for once, just give us something to shout and get excited about won't you North End?

Thanks for reading and once again, apologies for the long waffle!!
 
I very rarely start threads on here but after tonight I just want to air some of my views in general. I know some won't agree with me, some may think 'what the fuck' and I expect some to lambast me, but fuck it.

For me, tonight was a huge, huge low point. Yes, I know we've had it worse - Westley's tenure, well what do you say about that?! But I think tonight was the lowest I have felt for a long time. I've seen some truly disgusting performances in my time - Luton was bad enough but I thought tonight was even worse.
I can expect a poor performance here and there - hell you don't always get your own way in football but the least I expect is some honesty, effort and desire - we had none of that tonight and I was truly ashamed by the attitude of most of those players just strolling around like their holidays were round the corner and playing as if they had flip flops on.

Now, I've not been supporting North End for as long as many others on here. 1992 was roundabout the time I first properly got into it, aged 8, although I had been going on from a young age.
I remember those early days fondly even though we weren't particularly great. I didn't attend every home game but luckily in those days you could get on for free for the last 20 mins or so which I took advantage of. The Kop was often my place to go - I thought it was fantastic, a great sweeping terrace, ticker tape, 'confetti' made from cut up copies of the Loot newspaper, balloons, barmy army, the lot. I loved it and miss those days.
Another fond memory is getting autographs from the players - one distinct memory is of getting Paul Raynor's and Tony Ellis' autographs in the old club shop on Lowthorpe Road.

'Them were the days' - we may have been slugging it out in the bottom division but at least we were watching players who gave their all. What they lacked in talent (albeit tbf some were talented) they more than made up for it guts, determination and effort.

We of course had the Baxi takeover and a huge upturn in fortune rising to the Championship (then Div 1). We were certainly privileged to see some brilliant, talented players pass through our doors who were an absolute joy to watch - Macken, Fuller, Claude Davis, Mawene, Appleton, Gregan - that's just naming a few but I'd be here all night otherwise! It was just the talent though - again they were players who gave their all for the club and I'm proud to say I saw them play.

It's just a shame we came up short a few times - a recurring theme with this club. All the ifs, buts and maybes - we just needed that little bit more but sadly we just didn't have that bit more extra backing to push us over the line.

Back to the present day - yes there have been bad times like the relegation to League 1 and the bizarre tenure of Westley but I walked away tonight feeling thoroughly fed up. A truly crap performance and walking away thinking 'will it ever be our time'? We've seen all our local neighbours stroll past us and had their time in the limelight whist we have stood by, treading water and just grateful to survive. Is that all we've got to accept and hope for? It's a pretty dismal thing to accept.
I'm thoroughly pissed off and numerous things were going round my mind - one thing I was doing was comparing all today's players to those in the past and I thought "My God, these players aren't fit to lace their boots" - it's a strong opinion admittedly but one I think is justified after tonight and several other dreadful performances.
I also freely admit to singling out one player - Alan Browne, but most specifically his tenure as captain. I compared his leadership qualities to the likes of Bryson, Gregan, Alexander, Lucketti to name a few. He possesses not one of the all the qualities these players had and I just think he doesn't possess any leadership skills - the mess of that midfield tonight was a good example.
His form in general - I just think he has massively regressed and is nowhere near the player he was when he won POTY. It's a crying shame and I had hoped he would re-find that form but he hasn't come anywhere close.
Another thing, he and Lowe can waffle on about how bad things were, again, but all this talk and no action has become rather tiresome.

To save me from singling just one player out, I'll pick more. DJ - he frustrates the crap out of me. On his day, he's a class act but yet again he, like Browne, seems to have regressed and his laid-back attitude tonight, shite passing and half-assed challenges were completely unacceptable - buck the fuck up DJ. As for the defence - sadly Bauer just doesn't seem up for it anymore which is incredibly sad to see. Without doubt his worst performance in a white shirt and should be thoroughly ashamed of himself tonight, as should everyone else.

Anyway, I admit I feel thoroughly fed up - I'll probably be better tomorrow but I stand by my views. I've often been a vocal critic on here of the club and some of my reasons admittedly are personal. I've often hinted at why but never told the full story - I won't here as I don't think it will be well received but maybe at some point in the future I will.

Apologies for waffling on - I'm just tired of the constant mediocrity around the club. We've been 'nearly men' in the past but now we don't even get that. All we get is a stream of barely average signings (with some odd exceptions) and I'm tired of the attitude of just surviving and treading water - that's nothing to get excited about. Hell, Luton Town ended up in non-league and now look where they are - in the Championship play-off places and they've barely spent a fraction of what others have.
Tonight wasn't good enough (huge understatement) and the club needs a big shake up. The season ticket announcement was a big positive (typical of North End to spoil it though!!) but it's going to take much more than that.
It was painfully obvious that a lot of these players simply aren't fit to wear the shirt - I know it's easy to say we need a squad overhaul but that is exactly what we need.

I was hoping for a takeover and fresh ideas etc brought into the club but obviously that's not going to happen.

It's time for positive action - for once, just give us something to shout and get excited about won't you North End?

Thanks for reading and once again, apologies for the long waffle!!

Well I been supporting since the Early 80's 84 I think. It was dark in the re-election year, But I was young enough to take it on the chin. I am mid 40's now and I am old enough to say it, Fuck that was an awful performance. My life isn't great, but fuck PNE had added 20 times the stress on. Back in the 80's I felt like I was part of something with PNE, the battle's we over come. Now I just think PNE is at the point where it can't move forward. When we went back to League 1, I felt it be good to get the club moving again. If we went down to League one, no one at the club has the know how to get us back up. Sorry to add to your waffle, but Fuck PNE atm
 
I feel your pain absolutely.

I left early tonight, we're a similar age and I started going around the same time and I have probably left before the final whistle no more than around 4 or 5 times in all those years.

There are so many things that need to change for us to be in with a chance of being competitive at the top end of this division.

Imagine the reaction of Sean Gregan or Ben Pearson if we started the game like that tonight, instead they all just stood looking at each other. A fucking shambles of a performance.
 
I feel your pain absolutely.

I left early tonight, we're a similar age and I started going around the same time and I have probably left before the final whistle no more than around 4 or 5 times in all those years.

There are so many things that need to change for us to be in with a chance of being competitive at the top end of this division.

Imagine the reaction of Sean Gregan or Ben Pearson if we started the game like that tonight, instead they all just stood looking at each other. A fucking shambles of a performance.

We literally have no one who will grab the game by the scruff of the neck like those two would
 
I very rarely start threads on here but after tonight I just want to air some of my views in general. I know some won't agree with me, some may think 'what the fuck' and I expect some to lambast me, but fuck it.

For me, tonight was a huge, huge low point. Yes, I know we've had it worse - Westley's tenure, well what do you say about that?! But I think tonight was the lowest I have felt for a long time. I've seen some truly disgusting performances in my time - Luton was bad enough but I thought tonight was even worse.
I can expect a poor performance here and there - hell you don't always get your own way in football but the least I expect is some honesty, effort and desire - we had none of that tonight and I was truly ashamed by the attitude of most of those players just strolling around like their holidays were round the corner and playing as if they had flip flops on.

Now, I've not been supporting North End for as long as many others on here. 1992 was roundabout the time I first properly got into it, aged 8, although I had been going on from a young age.
I remember those early days fondly even though we weren't particularly great. I didn't attend every home game but luckily in those days you could get on for free for the last 20 mins or so which I took advantage of. The Kop was often my place to go - I thought it was fantastic, a great sweeping terrace, ticker tape, 'confetti' made from cut up copies of the Loot newspaper, balloons, barmy army, the lot. I loved it and miss those days.
Another fond memory is getting autographs from the players - one distinct memory is of getting Paul Raynor's and Tony Ellis' autographs in the old club shop on Lowthorpe Road.

'Them were the days' - we may have been slugging it out in the bottom division but at least we were watching players who gave their all. What they lacked in talent (albeit tbf some were talented) they more than made up for it guts, determination and effort.

We of course had the Baxi takeover and a huge upturn in fortune rising to the Championship (then Div 1). We were certainly privileged to see some brilliant, talented players pass through our doors who were an absolute joy to watch - Macken, Fuller, Claude Davis, Mawene, Appleton, Gregan - that's just naming a few but I'd be here all night otherwise! It was just the talent though - again they were players who gave their all for the club and I'm proud to say I saw them play.

It's just a shame we came up short a few times - a recurring theme with this club. All the ifs, buts and maybes - we just needed that little bit more but sadly we just didn't have that bit more extra backing to push us over the line.

Back to the present day - yes there have been bad times like the relegation to League 1 and the bizarre tenure of Westley but I walked away tonight feeling thoroughly fed up. A truly crap performance and walking away thinking 'will it ever be our time'? We've seen all our local neighbours stroll past us and had their time in the limelight whist we have stood by, treading water and just grateful to survive. Is that all we've got to accept and hope for? It's a pretty dismal thing to accept.
I'm thoroughly pissed off and numerous things were going round my mind - one thing I was doing was comparing all today's players to those in the past and I thought "My God, these players aren't fit to lace their boots" - it's a strong opinion admittedly but one I think is justified after tonight and several other dreadful performances.
I also freely admit to singling out one player - Alan Browne, but most specifically his tenure as captain. I compared his leadership qualities to the likes of Bryson, Gregan, Alexander, Lucketti to name a few. He possesses not one of the all the qualities these players had and I just think he doesn't possess any leadership skills - the mess of that midfield tonight was a good example.
His form in general - I just think he has massively regressed and is nowhere near the player he was when he won POTY. It's a crying shame and I had hoped he would re-find that form but he hasn't come anywhere close.
Another thing, he and Lowe can waffle on about how bad things were, again, but all this talk and no action has become rather tiresome.

To save me from singling just one player out, I'll pick more. DJ - he frustrates the crap out of me. On his day, he's a class act but yet again he, like Browne, seems to have regressed and his laid-back attitude tonight, shite passing and half-assed challenges were completely unacceptable - buck the fuck up DJ. As for the defence - sadly Bauer just doesn't seem up for it anymore which is incredibly sad to see. Without doubt his worst performance in a white shirt and should be thoroughly ashamed of himself tonight, as should everyone else.

Anyway, I admit I feel thoroughly fed up - I'll probably be better tomorrow but I stand by my views. I've often been a vocal critic on here of the club and some of my reasons admittedly are personal. I've often hinted at why but never told the full story - I won't here as I don't think it will be well received but maybe at some point in the future I will.

Apologies for waffling on - I'm just tired of the constant mediocrity around the club. We've been 'nearly men' in the past but now we don't even get that. All we get is a stream of barely average signings (with some odd exceptions) and I'm tired of the attitude of just surviving and treading water - that's nothing to get excited about. Hell, Luton Town ended up in non-league and now look where they are - in the Championship play-off places and they've barely spent a fraction of what others have.
Tonight wasn't good enough (huge understatement) and the club needs a big shake up. The season ticket announcement was a big positive (typical of North End to spoil it though!!) but it's going to take much more than that.
It was painfully obvious that a lot of these players simply aren't fit to wear the shirt - I know it's easy to say we need a squad overhaul but that is exactly what we need.

I was hoping for a takeover and fresh ideas etc brought into the club but obviously that's not going to happen.

It's time for positive action - for once, just give us something to shout and get excited about won't you North End?

Thanks for reading and once again, apologies for the long waffle!!
Post of the decade.
100% agree
 
I very rarely start threads on here but after tonight I just want to air some of my views in general. I know some won't agree with me, some may think 'what the fuck' and I expect some to lambast me, but fuck it.

For me, tonight was a huge, huge low point. Yes, I know we've had it worse - Westley's tenure, well what do you say about that?! But I think tonight was the lowest I have felt for a long time. I've seen some truly disgusting performances in my time - Luton was bad enough but I thought tonight was even worse.
I can expect a poor performance here and there - hell you don't always get your own way in football but the least I expect is some honesty, effort and desire - we had none of that tonight and I was truly ashamed by the attitude of most of those players just strolling around like their holidays were round the corner and playing as if they had flip flops on.

Now, I've not been supporting North End for as long as many others on here. 1992 was roundabout the time I first properly got into it, aged 8, although I had been going on from a young age.
I remember those early days fondly even though we weren't particularly great. I didn't attend every home game but luckily in those days you could get on for free for the last 20 mins or so which I took advantage of. The Kop was often my place to go - I thought it was fantastic, a great sweeping terrace, ticker tape, 'confetti' made from cut up copies of the Loot newspaper, balloons, barmy army, the lot. I loved it and miss those days.
Another fond memory is getting autographs from the players - one distinct memory is of getting Paul Raynor's and Tony Ellis' autographs in the old club shop on Lowthorpe Road.

'Them were the days' - we may have been slugging it out in the bottom division but at least we were watching players who gave their all. What they lacked in talent (albeit tbf some were talented) they more than made up for it guts, determination and effort.

We of course had the Baxi takeover and a huge upturn in fortune rising to the Championship (then Div 1). We were certainly privileged to see some brilliant, talented players pass through our doors who were an absolute joy to watch - Macken, Fuller, Claude Davis, Mawene, Appleton, Gregan - that's just naming a few but I'd be here all night otherwise! It was just the talent though - again they were players who gave their all for the club and I'm proud to say I saw them play.

It's just a shame we came up short a few times - a recurring theme with this club. All the ifs, buts and maybes - we just needed that little bit more but sadly we just didn't have that bit more extra backing to push us over the line.

Back to the present day - yes there have been bad times like the relegation to League 1 and the bizarre tenure of Westley but I walked away tonight feeling thoroughly fed up. A truly crap performance and walking away thinking 'will it ever be our time'? We've seen all our local neighbours stroll past us and had their time in the limelight whist we have stood by, treading water and just grateful to survive. Is that all we've got to accept and hope for? It's a pretty dismal thing to accept.
I'm thoroughly pissed off and numerous things were going round my mind - one thing I was doing was comparing all today's players to those in the past and I thought "My God, these players aren't fit to lace their boots" - it's a strong opinion admittedly but one I think is justified after tonight and several other dreadful performances.
I also freely admit to singling out one player - Alan Browne, but most specifically his tenure as captain. I compared his leadership qualities to the likes of Bryson, Gregan, Alexander, Lucketti to name a few. He possesses not one of the all the qualities these players had and I just think he doesn't possess any leadership skills - the mess of that midfield tonight was a good example.
His form in general - I just think he has massively regressed and is nowhere near the player he was when he won POTY. It's a crying shame and I had hoped he would re-find that form but he hasn't come anywhere close.
Another thing, he and Lowe can waffle on about how bad things were, again, but all this talk and no action has become rather tiresome.

To save me from singling just one player out, I'll pick more. DJ - he frustrates the crap out of me. On his day, he's a class act but yet again he, like Browne, seems to have regressed and his laid-back attitude tonight, shite passing and half-assed challenges were completely unacceptable - buck the fuck up DJ. As for the defence - sadly Bauer just doesn't seem up for it anymore which is incredibly sad to see. Without doubt his worst performance in a white shirt and should be thoroughly ashamed of himself tonight, as should everyone else.

Anyway, I admit I feel thoroughly fed up - I'll probably be better tomorrow but I stand by my views. I've often been a vocal critic on here of the club and some of my reasons admittedly are personal. I've often hinted at why but never told the full story - I won't here as I don't think it will be well received but maybe at some point in the future I will.

Apologies for waffling on - I'm just tired of the constant mediocrity around the club. We've been 'nearly men' in the past but now we don't even get that. All we get is a stream of barely average signings (with some odd exceptions) and I'm tired of the attitude of just surviving and treading water - that's nothing to get excited about. Hell, Luton Town ended up in non-league and now look where they are - in the Championship play-off places and they've barely spent a fraction of what others have.
Tonight wasn't good enough (huge understatement) and the club needs a big shake up. The season ticket announcement was a big positive (typical of North End to spoil it though!!) but it's going to take much more than that.
It was painfully obvious that a lot of these players simply aren't fit to wear the shirt - I know it's easy to say we need a squad overhaul but that is exactly what we need.

I was hoping for a takeover and fresh ideas etc brought into the club but obviously that's not going to happen.

It's time for positive action - for once, just give us something to shout and get excited about won't you North End?

Thanks for reading and once again, apologies for the long waffle!!
Good post but don't be fooled by that season ticket malarkey, it's a trap!!
 
The culture of mediocrity is suffocating. The only positive tonight is that if we're going to throw in a spineless performance, then it might as well when it counts for nothing. Not much comfort.

But, we follow a club owned by people who are bewildered when fans don't share their passion for paying tax promptly.

Successful teams, whatever their ability, play like their lives depend on it when there is nothing at stake. Let alone a local derby.
 
I very rarely start threads on here but after tonight I just want to air some of my views in general. I know some won't agree with me, some may think 'what the fuck' and I expect some to lambast me, but fuck it.

For me, tonight was a huge, huge low point. Yes, I know we've had it worse - Westley's tenure, well what do you say about that?! But I think tonight was the lowest I have felt for a long time. I've seen some truly disgusting performances in my time - Luton was bad enough but I thought tonight was even worse.
I can expect a poor performance here and there - hell you don't always get your own way in football but the least I expect is some honesty, effort and desire - we had none of that tonight and I was truly ashamed by the attitude of most of those players just strolling around like their holidays were round the corner and playing as if they had flip flops on.

Now, I've not been supporting North End for as long as many others on here. 1992 was roundabout the time I first properly got into it, aged 8, although I had been going on from a young age.
I remember those early days fondly even though we weren't particularly great. I didn't attend every home game but luckily in those days you could get on for free for the last 20 mins or so which I took advantage of. The Kop was often my place to go - I thought it was fantastic, a great sweeping terrace, ticker tape, 'confetti' made from cut up copies of the Loot newspaper, balloons, barmy army, the lot. I loved it and miss those days.
Another fond memory is getting autographs from the players - one distinct memory is of getting Paul Raynor's and Tony Ellis' autographs in the old club shop on Lowthorpe Road.

'Them were the days' - we may have been slugging it out in the bottom division but at least we were watching players who gave their all. What they lacked in talent (albeit tbf some were talented) they more than made up for it guts, determination and effort.

We of course had the Baxi takeover and a huge upturn in fortune rising to the Championship (then Div 1). We were certainly privileged to see some brilliant, talented players pass through our doors who were an absolute joy to watch - Macken, Fuller, Claude Davis, Mawene, Appleton, Gregan - that's just naming a few but I'd be here all night otherwise! It was just the talent though - again they were players who gave their all for the club and I'm proud to say I saw them play.

It's just a shame we came up short a few times - a recurring theme with this club. All the ifs, buts and maybes - we just needed that little bit more but sadly we just didn't have that bit more extra backing to push us over the line.

Back to the present day - yes there have been bad times like the relegation to League 1 and the bizarre tenure of Westley but I walked away tonight feeling thoroughly fed up. A truly crap performance and walking away thinking 'will it ever be our time'? We've seen all our local neighbours stroll past us and had their time in the limelight whist we have stood by, treading water and just grateful to survive. Is that all we've got to accept and hope for? It's a pretty dismal thing to accept.
I'm thoroughly pissed off and numerous things were going round my mind - one thing I was doing was comparing all today's players to those in the past and I thought "My God, these players aren't fit to lace their boots" - it's a strong opinion admittedly but one I think is justified after tonight and several other dreadful performances.
I also freely admit to singling out one player - Alan Browne, but most specifically his tenure as captain. I compared his leadership qualities to the likes of Bryson, Gregan, Alexander, Lucketti to name a few. He possesses not one of the all the qualities these players had and I just think he doesn't possess any leadership skills - the mess of that midfield tonight was a good example.
His form in general - I just think he has massively regressed and is nowhere near the player he was when he won POTY. It's a crying shame and I had hoped he would re-find that form but he hasn't come anywhere close.
Another thing, he and Lowe can waffle on about how bad things were, again, but all this talk and no action has become rather tiresome.

To save me from singling just one player out, I'll pick more. DJ - he frustrates the crap out of me. On his day, he's a class act but yet again he, like Browne, seems to have regressed and his laid-back attitude tonight, shite passing and half-assed challenges were completely unacceptable - buck the fuck up DJ. As for the defence - sadly Bauer just doesn't seem up for it anymore which is incredibly sad to see. Without doubt his worst performance in a white shirt and should be thoroughly ashamed of himself tonight, as should everyone else.

Anyway, I admit I feel thoroughly fed up - I'll probably be better tomorrow but I stand by my views. I've often been a vocal critic on here of the club and some of my reasons admittedly are personal. I've often hinted at why but never told the full story - I won't here as I don't think it will be well received but maybe at some point in the future I will.

Apologies for waffling on - I'm just tired of the constant mediocrity around the club. We've been 'nearly men' in the past but now we don't even get that. All we get is a stream of barely average signings (with some odd exceptions) and I'm tired of the attitude of just surviving and treading water - that's nothing to get excited about. Hell, Luton Town ended up in non-league and now look where they are - in the Championship play-off places and they've barely spent a fraction of what others have.
Tonight wasn't good enough (huge understatement) and the club needs a big shake up. The season ticket announcement was a big positive (typical of North End to spoil it though!!) but it's going to take much more than that.
It was painfully obvious that a lot of these players simply aren't fit to wear the shirt - I know it's easy to say we need a squad overhaul but that is exactly what we need.

I was hoping for a takeover and fresh ideas etc brought into the club but obviously that's not going to happen.

It's time for positive action - for once, just give us something to shout and get excited about won't you North End?

Thanks for reading and once again, apologies for the long waffle!!
wow
even Barbara cartland couldn’t write that quick
some darn good points though
 
I'm even newer to this then @shabbagaz. I hardly even remember the King Billy days.

Our relegation was bleak. This is bleaker.

In 2011, our years of challenging and looking like a team that was going somewhere was fresh enough that we still cared, despite the relegation battle. I showed up every week, expecting to lose, but still wanted to support the team.

This though? Just complete apathy. Maybe it's because I live an hour away, but now I have next to no willingness to make it to Deepdale. The football is stale, we've done nothing for years, and will continue to do nothing. What's the point anymore?

Except for that first season under Neil, and those weeks in late 2019 when we genuinely looked like contenders, we've showed no desire to be anything more than average. I'm willing to give Craig the summer, but after that? I don't know.

I've been having more fun watching Chester FC this year.
 
I feel your pain absolutely.

I left early tonight, we're a similar age and I started going around the same time and I have probably left before the final whistle no more than around 4 or 5 times in all those years.

There are so many things that need to change for us to be in with a chance of being competitive at the top end of this division.

Imagine the reaction of Sean Gregan or Ben Pearson if we started the game like that tonight, instead they all just stood looking at each other. A fucking shambles of a performance.

I'm at the stage where I didn't go on tonight - will only go on the Boro game if a mate is selling a ticket cheap. Had a season ticket pre-covid but didn't renew this summer for numerous reasons. I go on with my girlfriend (who I met on Deepdale) and it costs £54 for both to pay on a game. We've probably done 17 games this season but it's not the be all and end all anymore, although at £300 to get a season ticket next year it makes more sense to sign back up now.

Gregan's name got mentioned tonight as he wouldn't stand for it, although he was part of the shambolic team under Peters at Xmas 1997 that put in a few performances similar to tonight, and also the 0-3 at home to Carlisle in 1998 when Moyes was in charge. However, Gregan took it on the chin, worked his socks off and helped drag to the team the bottom of the third tier to 90 minutes from the Prem. The majority of this team would shit themselves spending 10 minutes in a dressing room with Greegs and would need 12 months counselling after he'd tea bagged them whilst they were getting their post match massage.

It was better in the 90s though. But hell the crowd didn't half get on the players backs if they weren't playing well. Been to watch Brig a few times this year and it is like football in the old days and I can see why non-league attendances have risen in the past decade whilst Championship attendances seem to be falling. £400/500 a year to watch second rate players earning a year's salary in a week is why at times I can now take it or leave it.
 
I feel your pain absolutely.

I left early tonight, we're a similar age and I started going around the same time and I have probably left before the final whistle no more than around 4 or 5 times in all

.
I Can only think of about 3 games in 30 years I've left before the end. Tonight was one of them.

Gentry Day on Saturday to remember those who are no longer with us which is important to our fans.

Hope these players realise that.

Not sure some care though.
 
I very rarely start threads on here but after tonight I just want to air some of my views in general. I know some won't agree with me, some may think 'what the fuck' and I expect some to lambast me, but fuck it.

For me, tonight was a huge, huge low point. Yes, I know we've had it worse - Westley's tenure, well what do you say about that?! But I think tonight was the lowest I have felt for a long time. I've seen some truly disgusting performances in my time - Luton was bad enough but I thought tonight was even worse.
I can expect a poor performance here and there - hell you don't always get your own way in football but the least I expect is some honesty, effort and desire - we had none of that tonight and I was truly ashamed by the attitude of most of those players just strolling around like their holidays were round the corner and playing as if they had flip flops on.

Now, I've not been supporting North End for as long as many others on here. 1992 was roundabout the time I first properly got into it, aged 8, although I had been going on from a young age.
I remember those early days fondly even though we weren't particularly great. I didn't attend every home game but luckily in those days you could get on for free for the last 20 mins or so which I took advantage of. The Kop was often my place to go - I thought it was fantastic, a great sweeping terrace, ticker tape, 'confetti' made from cut up copies of the Loot newspaper, balloons, barmy army, the lot. I loved it and miss those days.
Another fond memory is getting autographs from the players - one distinct memory is of getting Paul Raynor's and Tony Ellis' autographs in the old club shop on Lowthorpe Road.

'Them were the days' - we may have been slugging it out in the bottom division but at least we were watching players who gave their all. What they lacked in talent (albeit tbf some were talented) they more than made up for it guts, determination and effort.

We of course had the Baxi takeover and a huge upturn in fortune rising to the Championship (then Div 1). We were certainly privileged to see some brilliant, talented players pass through our doors who were an absolute joy to watch - Macken, Fuller, Claude Davis, Mawene, Appleton, Gregan - that's just naming a few but I'd be here all night otherwise! It was just the talent though - again they were players who gave their all for the club and I'm proud to say I saw them play.

It's just a shame we came up short a few times - a recurring theme with this club. All the ifs, buts and maybes - we just needed that little bit more but sadly we just didn't have that bit more extra backing to push us over the line.

Back to the present day - yes there have been bad times like the relegation to League 1 and the bizarre tenure of Westley but I walked away tonight feeling thoroughly fed up. A truly crap performance and walking away thinking 'will it ever be our time'? We've seen all our local neighbours stroll past us and had their time in the limelight whist we have stood by, treading water and just grateful to survive. Is that all we've got to accept and hope for? It's a pretty dismal thing to accept.
I'm thoroughly pissed off and numerous things were going round my mind - one thing I was doing was comparing all today's players to those in the past and I thought "My God, these players aren't fit to lace their boots" - it's a strong opinion admittedly but one I think is justified after tonight and several other dreadful performances.
I also freely admit to singling out one player - Alan Browne, but most specifically his tenure as captain. I compared his leadership qualities to the likes of Bryson, Gregan, Alexander, Lucketti to name a few. He possesses not one of the all the qualities these players had and I just think he doesn't possess any leadership skills - the mess of that midfield tonight was a good example.
His form in general - I just think he has massively regressed and is nowhere near the player he was when he won POTY. It's a crying shame and I had hoped he would re-find that form but he hasn't come anywhere close.
Another thing, he and Lowe can waffle on about how bad things were, again, but all this talk and no action has become rather tiresome.

To save me from singling just one player out, I'll pick more. DJ - he frustrates the crap out of me. On his day, he's a class act but yet again he, like Browne, seems to have regressed and his laid-back attitude tonight, shite passing and half-assed challenges were completely unacceptable - buck the fuck up DJ. As for the defence - sadly Bauer just doesn't seem up for it anymore which is incredibly sad to see. Without doubt his worst performance in a white shirt and should be thoroughly ashamed of himself tonight, as should everyone else.

Anyway, I admit I feel thoroughly fed up - I'll probably be better tomorrow but I stand by my views. I've often been a vocal critic on here of the club and some of my reasons admittedly are personal. I've often hinted at why but never told the full story - I won't here as I don't think it will be well received but maybe at some point in the future I will.

Apologies for waffling on - I'm just tired of the constant mediocrity around the club. We've been 'nearly men' in the past but now we don't even get that. All we get is a stream of barely average signings (with some odd exceptions) and I'm tired of the attitude of just surviving and treading water - that's nothing to get excited about. Hell, Luton Town ended up in non-league and now look where they are - in the Championship play-off places and they've barely spent a fraction of what others have.
Tonight wasn't good enough (huge understatement) and the club needs a big shake up. The season ticket announcement was a big positive (typical of North End to spoil it though!!) but it's going to take much more than that.
It was painfully obvious that a lot of these players simply aren't fit to wear the shirt - I know it's easy to say we need a squad overhaul but that is exactly what we need.

I was hoping for a takeover and fresh ideas etc brought into the club but obviously that's not going to happen.

It's time for positive action - for once, just give us something to shout and get excited about won't you North End?

Thanks for reading and once again, apologies for the long waffle!!
Fair points pal. The issue is at the top/on the inside. We need more than a squad overhaul. It won't change until that's changed regardless..
 
I very rarely start threads on here but after tonight I just want to air some of my views in general. I know some won't agree with me, some may think 'what the fuck' and I expect some to lambast me, but fuck it.

For me, tonight was a huge, huge low point. Yes, I know we've had it worse - Westley's tenure, well what do you say about that?! But I think tonight was the lowest I have felt for a long time. I've seen some truly disgusting performances in my time - Luton was bad enough but I thought tonight was even worse.
I can expect a poor performance here and there - hell you don't always get your own way in football but the least I expect is some honesty, effort and desire - we had none of that tonight and I was truly ashamed by the attitude of most of those players just strolling around like their holidays were round the corner and playing as if they had flip flops on.

Now, I've not been supporting North End for as long as many others on here. 1992 was roundabout the time I first properly got into it, aged 8, although I had been going on from a young age.
I remember those early days fondly even though we weren't particularly great. I didn't attend every home game but luckily in those days you could get on for free for the last 20 mins or so which I took advantage of. The Kop was often my place to go - I thought it was fantastic, a great sweeping terrace, ticker tape, 'confetti' made from cut up copies of the Loot newspaper, balloons, barmy army, the lot. I loved it and miss those days.
Another fond memory is getting autographs from the players - one distinct memory is of getting Paul Raynor's and Tony Ellis' autographs in the old club shop on Lowthorpe Road.

'Them were the days' - we may have been slugging it out in the bottom division but at least we were watching players who gave their all. What they lacked in talent (albeit tbf some were talented) they more than made up for it guts, determination and effort.

We of course had the Baxi takeover and a huge upturn in fortune rising to the Championship (then Div 1). We were certainly privileged to see some brilliant, talented players pass through our doors who were an absolute joy to watch - Macken, Fuller, Claude Davis, Mawene, Appleton, Gregan - that's just naming a few but I'd be here all night otherwise! It was just the talent though - again they were players who gave their all for the club and I'm proud to say I saw them play.

It's just a shame we came up short a few times - a recurring theme with this club. All the ifs, buts and maybes - we just needed that little bit more but sadly we just didn't have that bit more extra backing to push us over the line.

Back to the present day - yes there have been bad times like the relegation to League 1 and the bizarre tenure of Westley but I walked away tonight feeling thoroughly fed up. A truly crap performance and walking away thinking 'will it ever be our time'? We've seen all our local neighbours stroll past us and had their time in the limelight whist we have stood by, treading water and just grateful to survive. Is that all we've got to accept and hope for? It's a pretty dismal thing to accept.
I'm thoroughly pissed off and numerous things were going round my mind - one thing I was doing was comparing all today's players to those in the past and I thought "My God, these players aren't fit to lace their boots" - it's a strong opinion admittedly but one I think is justified after tonight and several other dreadful performances.
I also freely admit to singling out one player - Alan Browne, but most specifically his tenure as captain. I compared his leadership qualities to the likes of Bryson, Gregan, Alexander, Lucketti to name a few. He possesses not one of the all the qualities these players had and I just think he doesn't possess any leadership skills - the mess of that midfield tonight was a good example.
His form in general - I just think he has massively regressed and is nowhere near the player he was when he won POTY. It's a crying shame and I had hoped he would re-find that form but he hasn't come anywhere close.
Another thing, he and Lowe can waffle on about how bad things were, again, but all this talk and no action has become rather tiresome.

To save me from singling just one player out, I'll pick more. DJ - he frustrates the crap out of me. On his day, he's a class act but yet again he, like Browne, seems to have regressed and his laid-back attitude tonight, shite passing and half-assed challenges were completely unacceptable - buck the fuck up DJ. As for the defence - sadly Bauer just doesn't seem up for it anymore which is incredibly sad to see. Without doubt his worst performance in a white shirt and should be thoroughly ashamed of himself tonight, as should everyone else.

Anyway, I admit I feel thoroughly fed up - I'll probably be better tomorrow but I stand by my views. I've often been a vocal critic on here of the club and some of my reasons admittedly are personal. I've often hinted at why but never told the full story - I won't here as I don't think it will be well received but maybe at some point in the future I will.

Apologies for waffling on - I'm just tired of the constant mediocrity around the club. We've been 'nearly men' in the past but now we don't even get that. All we get is a stream of barely average signings (with some odd exceptions) and I'm tired of the attitude of just surviving and treading water - that's nothing to get excited about. Hell, Luton Town ended up in non-league and now look where they are - in the Championship play-off places and they've barely spent a fraction of what others have.
Tonight wasn't good enough (huge understatement) and the club needs a big shake up. The season ticket announcement was a big positive (typical of North End to spoil it though!!) but it's going to take much more than that.
It was painfully obvious that a lot of these players simply aren't fit to wear the shirt - I know it's easy to say we need a squad overhaul but that is exactly what we need.

I was hoping for a takeover and fresh ideas etc brought into the club but obviously that's not going to happen.

It's time for positive action - for once, just give us something to shout and get excited about won't you North End?

Thanks for reading and once again, apologies for the long waffle!!
Yep you feel like I do. I am so bloody fed up of the culture in our club and the mediocre payers with little to no pride in anything they do. I know this much, if any of our local rivals, get back into the Premiership whilst we still beggar about treading water and being happy just existing, that’s me done, finished and never coming back, it would be one season too many of being an also ran.
 
Yep you feel like I do. I am so bloody fed up of the culture in our club and the mediocre payers with little to no pride in anything they do. I know this much, if any of our local rivals, get back into the Premiership whilst we still beggar about treading water and being happy just existing, that’s me done, finished and never coming back, it would be one season too many of being an also ran.
I agree, tonight might have been a watershed for me, having to travel for a couple of hours round journey on top of the game time.

When we where really crap in Div 4 we at least didn't have people earning more than the P.M. M.P's and top business people these guys today on 10 to 20 k a week with 3 year contracts earn 1.5 million + and they are not even at the top of there professions, we might at least expect some effort and pride!!
Disgusted by the performance they didn't bother to put in!!
 
The reason they've reduced tickets is because they know supporting this club is a waste of time, they know we're sick of them.

This shite club should have Crewe level crowds in terms of what it has done since 1961.

Been thinking throughout this season as a 50 year + supporter, is this my last season ?

It’s just not enjoyable anymore, the product is poor and with all the ridiculous amounts of money in football, you cannot expect the fans to turn up and pay their hard earned to watch crap!

Would like to add this is not unique to North End, it’s the sorry state of the beautiful game for most English clubs.
 
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