So got up, more pissed off than I was last night, thinking ok its over. But go on Twitter and there are people still defending this crap. These team is like the Tory party, no matter what they do, people defend them. I hope to god no one pisses me off today. Owait I got mental health soon. They going to regret that question "So how you feeling?" Well. *^&*^ 6*&%$&%$£ ^%$^^$ &*&%$^& (&^&%%$^^& £"$£%^^$^&&, I mean I am fine.
Fed up
I've been so apathetic about the club since we returned from that long initial Covid layoff in prime position to at least content in the play-offs & basically threw in the towel and bottled it, but last night was just plain embarrassing.
I became a parent for the first time last year & of course the thought entered my mind early on how great it'd be to take my little boy on his first game at north end when he's able to understand it (I won't say appreciate it), but that is now so far off being something I believe I'd enjoy doing with my son it's not even funny, regardless of ticket prices & even if he'd be attending for free.
If the players don't care, then neither do I - I can think of a hundred other things I'd rather be doing these days either with or without my family than sitting through another passionless performance.
Sort it out North End & invest in some players who actually want to be here & give it their all, & I wouldn't then have any problem parting with my time & cash.
I became a parent for the first time last year & of course the thought entered my mind early on how great it'd be to take my little boy on his first game at north end when he's able to understand it (I won't say appreciate it), but that is now so far off being something I believe I'd enjoy doing with my son it's not even funny, regardless of ticket prices & even if he'd be attending for free.
If the players don't care, then neither do I - I can think of a hundred other things I'd rather be doing these days either with or without my family than sitting through another passionless performance.
Sort it out North End & invest in some players who actually want to be here & give it their all, & I wouldn't then have any problem parting with my time & cash.
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Have to agree with the OP completely . That's the most embarrassed I've ever felt as a Nobber in 47 years . Until recently I thought we had the core of a decent team , but the way we've capitulated pathetically to Luton , Fulham and Blackburn recently suggests that frankly all the contracted players are sub-standard and could be replaced . None of the OOC should be retained either . The only ones who could possibly get into a top 6 team are the 3 loanees - says it all . The recruitment policy has made managing the club impossible - Neil , McAvoy and now Lowe have found this squad is a million miles from anything more than mid-table mediocrity at best . It's dull , boring and turgid at the moment . Only a massive change of approach from the top downwards will make any difference .
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Maybe last night is what the club needed. I hope we haven’t now inspired a Rovers promotion push but that’s not really our issue is it.
I really hope some of those young lads walking around the pitch at half time last night are the future of the club. I could help but see Dolan warming up on the other side of the pitch and thinking how that was another issue the club is facing at present.
We have some real shit in the squad. Those we have already mentioned but I would happily lose the majority of the starting XI and last nights bench. I’d take some cash for Riis if it was worth it also to invest in the squad and more effective strikers.
The 3 loans signings were all quite poor last night but we need them next season or replacements signed up straight away…. Then start on the other holes in the team.
Out of our squad I’d only like to see a few of those players anywhere near our first XI…. even then I’d want them to have some competition for their place… Bauer, Hughes, Browne, McCann, DJ, Whiteman.. that’s quite worrying really
I really hope some of those young lads walking around the pitch at half time last night are the future of the club. I could help but see Dolan warming up on the other side of the pitch and thinking how that was another issue the club is facing at present.
We have some real shit in the squad. Those we have already mentioned but I would happily lose the majority of the starting XI and last nights bench. I’d take some cash for Riis if it was worth it also to invest in the squad and more effective strikers.
The 3 loans signings were all quite poor last night but we need them next season or replacements signed up straight away…. Then start on the other holes in the team.
Out of our squad I’d only like to see a few of those players anywhere near our first XI…. even then I’d want them to have some competition for their place… Bauer, Hughes, Browne, McCann, DJ, Whiteman.. that’s quite worrying really
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I don't think I've ever left a game early, I can't remember doing it anyway, but last night I wanted to go before the end but my lad wanted to stay so we stayed.I feel your pain absolutely.
I left early tonight, we're a similar age and I started going around the same time and I have probably left before the final whistle no more than around 4 or 5 times in all those years.
There are so many things that need to change for us to be in with a chance of being competitive at the top end of this division.
Imagine the reaction of Sean Gregan or Ben Pearson if we started the game like that tonight, instead they all just stood looking at each other. A fucking shambles of a performance.
I've been saying for a while we lack the characters of the past, Gregan, Lucketti, Youl, O'Neil, McKenna, Clarke, Hunts etc. yet many people say the captain role means nothing these days. It does when ours hides in games and looks so far off the pace. But he's not the only one. There's very little backbone in this team, any spell of pressure from the opposition tends to result in us conceding a goal or requiring Iversen to keep us in it.
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Correct, and I think he's struggling with the requirement to bring the ball out and build from the back.Bauer hasn’t been the same since his Achilles injury. Used to be dominant in the air but he wins fuck all now.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a whole new back 3 next season.
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Clearly from the heart.I very rarely start threads on here but after tonight I just want to air some of my views in general. I know some won't agree with me, some may think 'what the fuck' and I expect some to lambast me, but fuck it.
For me, tonight was a huge, huge low point. Yes, I know we've had it worse - Westley's tenure, well what do you say about that?! But I think tonight was the lowest I have felt for a long time. I've seen some truly disgusting performances in my time - Luton was bad enough but I thought tonight was even worse.
I can expect a poor performance here and there - hell you don't always get your own way in football but the least I expect is some honesty, effort and desire - we had none of that tonight and I was truly ashamed by the attitude of most of those players just strolling around like their holidays were round the corner and playing as if they had flip flops on.
Now, I've not been supporting North End for as long as many others on here. 1992 was roundabout the time I first properly got into it, aged 8, although I had been going on from a young age.
I remember those early days fondly even though we weren't particularly great. I didn't attend every home game but luckily in those days you could get on for free for the last 20 mins or so which I took advantage of. The Kop was often my place to go - I thought it was fantastic, a great sweeping terrace, ticker tape, 'confetti' made from cut up copies of the Loot newspaper, balloons, barmy army, the lot. I loved it and miss those days.
Another fond memory is getting autographs from the players - one distinct memory is of getting Paul Raynor's and Tony Ellis' autographs in the old club shop on Lowthorpe Road.
'Them were the days' - we may have been slugging it out in the bottom division but at least we were watching players who gave their all. What they lacked in talent (albeit tbf some were talented) they more than made up for it guts, determination and effort.
We of course had the Baxi takeover and a huge upturn in fortune rising to the Championship (then Div 1). We were certainly privileged to see some brilliant, talented players pass through our doors who were an absolute joy to watch - Macken, Fuller, Claude Davis, Mawene, Appleton, Gregan - that's just naming a few but I'd be here all night otherwise! It was just the talent though - again they were players who gave their all for the club and I'm proud to say I saw them play.
It's just a shame we came up short a few times - a recurring theme with this club. All the ifs, buts and maybes - we just needed that little bit more but sadly we just didn't have that bit more extra backing to push us over the line.
Back to the present day - yes there have been bad times like the relegation to League 1 and the bizarre tenure of Westley but I walked away tonight feeling thoroughly fed up. A truly crap performance and walking away thinking 'will it ever be our time'? We've seen all our local neighbours stroll past us and had their time in the limelight whist we have stood by, treading water and just grateful to survive. Is that all we've got to accept and hope for? It's a pretty dismal thing to accept.
I'm thoroughly pissed off and numerous things were going round my mind - one thing I was doing was comparing all today's players to those in the past and I thought "My God, these players aren't fit to lace their boots" - it's a strong opinion admittedly but one I think is justified after tonight and several other dreadful performances.
I also freely admit to singling out one player - Alan Browne, but most specifically his tenure as captain. I compared his leadership qualities to the likes of Bryson, Gregan, Alexander, Lucketti to name a few. He possesses not one of the all the qualities these players had and I just think he doesn't possess any leadership skills - the mess of that midfield tonight was a good example.
His form in general - I just think he has massively regressed and is nowhere near the player he was when he won POTY. It's a crying shame and I had hoped he would re-find that form but he hasn't come anywhere close.
Another thing, he and Lowe can waffle on about how bad things were, again, but all this talk and no action has become rather tiresome.
To save me from singling just one player out, I'll pick more. DJ - he frustrates the crap out of me. On his day, he's a class act but yet again he, like Browne, seems to have regressed and his laid-back attitude tonight, shite passing and half-assed challenges were completely unacceptable - buck the fuck up DJ. As for the defence - sadly Bauer just doesn't seem up for it anymore which is incredibly sad to see. Without doubt his worst performance in a white shirt and should be thoroughly ashamed of himself tonight, as should everyone else.
Anyway, I admit I feel thoroughly fed up - I'll probably be better tomorrow but I stand by my views. I've often been a vocal critic on here of the club and some of my reasons admittedly are personal. I've often hinted at why but never told the full story - I won't here as I don't think it will be well received but maybe at some point in the future I will.
Apologies for waffling on - I'm just tired of the constant mediocrity around the club. We've been 'nearly men' in the past but now we don't even get that. All we get is a stream of barely average signings (with some odd exceptions) and I'm tired of the attitude of just surviving and treading water - that's nothing to get excited about. Hell, Luton Town ended up in non-league and now look where they are - in the Championship play-off places and they've barely spent a fraction of what others have.
Tonight wasn't good enough (huge understatement) and the club needs a big shake up. The season ticket announcement was a big positive (typical of North End to spoil it though!!) but it's going to take much more than that.
It was painfully obvious that a lot of these players simply aren't fit to wear the shirt - I know it's easy to say we need a squad overhaul but that is exactly what we need.
I was hoping for a takeover and fresh ideas etc brought into the club but obviously that's not going to happen.
It's time for positive action - for once, just give us something to shout and get excited about won't you North End?
Thanks for reading and once again, apologies for the long waffle!!
This should be read by all associated with the club - players, manager, coaches, owners - to (hopefully) make them realise what the club means to the supporters and that cheap season ticket offers alone certainly won't cut it. The club needs a vision, a plan, a direction. At this moment in time we're simply drifting and going nowhere except, sooner or later, League 1.
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I hope you're right Joan. I'm sure he wants to change things, but sadly it's not entirely in his hands to do that.Just listen to Ryan Lowe on the EFL app. He sounds as cheesed off as the rest of us, he obviously sees exactly how this club has been run over the years in terms of players and the end of season being 50 points and not 46 games, and I’m sure he will change that.
Go on then... I'll stay positive....... just for slight balance.
Last season we needed a clear out but ended with a good run of wins under FMC and didnt get a clear out.
this season we are even more desperate for a clear out and the danger of ending the season playing reasonably well and finishing above our Lancashire rivals in say 9th COULD have again suggested things arent as bad as they are.
SO a few really bad results and performances at this stage of the season COULD BE GOOD NEWS !!!....
of course what we do about it is another thing but there should be no room for complacency this summer like there has been the last 2....
Last night could just be the final leverage RL needed to get his own way ....
I guess I'm luckier than most.. I have seen more PNE wins this season than the majority......only most have been at Springies and Euxton !
Last season we needed a clear out but ended with a good run of wins under FMC and didnt get a clear out.
this season we are even more desperate for a clear out and the danger of ending the season playing reasonably well and finishing above our Lancashire rivals in say 9th COULD have again suggested things arent as bad as they are.
SO a few really bad results and performances at this stage of the season COULD BE GOOD NEWS !!!....
of course what we do about it is another thing but there should be no room for complacency this summer like there has been the last 2....
Last night could just be the final leverage RL needed to get his own way ....
I guess I'm luckier than most.. I have seen more PNE wins this season than the majority......only most have been at Springies and Euxton !
I know you are right, I’m just hoping CH rings in the changes because the current crop of players is evidence of how stale we had become and how content with that we were. Something has to change, we can’t keep surviving on the principle ofI hope you're right Joan. I'm sure he wants to change things, but sadly it's not entirely in his hands to do that.
GEOGRAPHY, TOO MANY BIG CLUBS (other similar sized clubs around us managed to get to the top flight),
SMALL GATE, it’s a never ending self fulfilling running round in circles. The higher the status of the club the higher the gate, simple as that.
ITS BEEN WORSE this really cheeses me off, it’s like an excuse not to improve and be happy with little Preston. Utter laughing stock.
PARACHUTE PAYMENTS we have never been interested in prem football so don’t moan about others that have and are now enjoying the fruits via parachute payments. We can’t compete because we don’t attempt to in any serious way. I use Burnley and Brentford as examples, neither cheated or lied to get where they are, they budgeted wisely (a complete alien concept to us) enough to stay put for us is job done no interest in anything better.
These are things off the top of my head the excuses are flimsy and wearing very thin. It’s been over 60 years to get it right so there is absolutely no excuse left. It’s a sport we have to be the best we can be, it’s about winning if we are not interested why bother?
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I think we have to accept that there’s no easy way forward. Reality is that for a club our size it’s always going to be a hard slog season after season.
But that doesn’t mean we can’t be successful and I think Brentford are a good model to follow. That needs long term investment with a long term plan and recruiting the staff that could make that happen. Even given all that, we’d still need luck to be on our side. I’d argue we’ve been there before in 2000/01 but didn’t have that last bit of luck to take us over the line. Bolton beat us to the Premier League then and look at them now showing that over ambition is just as dangerous as under ambition.
Without parachute payments, there is no magic ticket, I think the Kirchner saga showed us that.
What we need now is for CH to commit to investing the maximum allowed (FFP) in the club over the next 5 years or so to steadily build a squad through a mix of clever signings and recruitment/youth strategy. This is the only way the Hemmings family will get their money back.
Over to you Craig….
But that doesn’t mean we can’t be successful and I think Brentford are a good model to follow. That needs long term investment with a long term plan and recruiting the staff that could make that happen. Even given all that, we’d still need luck to be on our side. I’d argue we’ve been there before in 2000/01 but didn’t have that last bit of luck to take us over the line. Bolton beat us to the Premier League then and look at them now showing that over ambition is just as dangerous as under ambition.
Without parachute payments, there is no magic ticket, I think the Kirchner saga showed us that.
What we need now is for CH to commit to investing the maximum allowed (FFP) in the club over the next 5 years or so to steadily build a squad through a mix of clever signings and recruitment/youth strategy. This is the only way the Hemmings family will get their money back.
Over to you Craig….
We have been accepting for for more than half a century!I think we have to accept that there’s no easy way forward. Reality is that for a club our size it’s always going to be a hard slog season after season.
But that doesn’t mean we can’t be successful and I think Brentford are a good model to follow. That needs long term investment with a long term plan and recruiting the staff that could make that happen. Even given all that, we’d still need luck to be on our side. I’d argue we’ve been there before in 2000/01 but didn’t have that last bit of luck to take us over the line. Bolton beat us to the Premier League then and look at them now showing that over ambition is just as dangerous as under ambition.
Without parachute payments, there is no magic ticket, I think the Kirchner saga showed us that.
What we need now is for CH to commit to investing the maximum allowed (FFP) in the club over the next 5 years or so to steadily build a squad through a mix of clever signings and recruitment/youth strategy. This is the only way the Hemmings family will get their money back.
Over to you Craig….
When the players are playing for safety and nothing more, what about our money back for the time, travel and cost of ticket the players didn’t turn up for games and the owners not being arsed about going anywhere. The fans have invested too you know and consistently let down what about the cost to them. Another thing that makes me annoyed, is TH bought the club he knew what he would lose but he insisted on buying it anyway. Tell me why the Hemmings’ family should have their money back but the shareholders should not.
You might be too young to understand this Tino, but we need another Allardyce, Atkins and Jones…..Correct, and I think he's struggling with the requirement to bring the ball out and build from the back.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a whole new back 3 next season.
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I lost £500 on the share debacle but I wrote it off a long time ago. There is no point crying over spilt milk.We have been accepting for for more than half a century!
When the players are playing for safety and nothing more, what about our money back for the time, travel and cost of ticket the players didn’t turn up for games and the owners not being arsed about going anywhere. The fans have invested too you know and consistently let down what about the cost to them. Another thing that makes me annoyed, is TH bought the club he knew what he would lose but he insisted on buying it anyway. Tell me why the Hemmings’ family should have their money back but the shareholders should not.
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The "Solicitors"!You might be too young to understand this Tino, but we need another Allardyce, Atkins and Jones…..
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The Solicitors. I remember them well.You might be too young to understand this Tino, but we need another Allardyce, Atkins and Jones…..
So why is that not the mantra for the Hemmings family then?I lost £500 on the share debacle but I wrote it off a long time ago. There is no point crying over spilt milk.
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That’s a question for them.So why is that not the mantra for the Hemmings family then?
However, onsidering that they’ve invested millions in the club over the years with no expectation of getting it back, it sounds very much like their mantra to me.
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I've lost it with RL already talks cheap performances on the pitch is what we need after last nights performance an all time worst and he says he is still happy with his tactics if not the performance??? Any manager that keeps playing Maguire as no support from me.. Very worried for next season fact is without the loan players we could have been relegated.
All talk but no substance where is attacking style of play we were promised?
There is no doubt he has a massive job on his hands is he up to it? We will know next season
If he is
All talk but no substance where is attacking style of play we were promised?
There is no doubt he has a massive job on his hands is he up to it? We will know next season
If he is
Typical North End isn't it, loads of positivity and feel good around the ST pricing and boom, Rovers game.