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I’ve always liked Roy Keane. Sometimes he comes across as quite blunt and abrasive, but he won’t avoid saying something just to avoid hurting someone’s feelings and you have to respect him for it.

He’s basically confirmed what we all knew in the video below
 
Must confess I’m not a fan of Roy the Boy.........but I love that. Gary Neville’s face is a picture. Have they got those microphones on to block out the Brexit demonstrations? ?
 
The Splash said:
Must confess I’m not a fan of Roy the Boy.........but I love that. Gary Neville’s face is a picture. Have they got those microphones on to block out the Brexit demonstrations? ?
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Impressed he even knows the story of Ferguson pulling his loan players from PNE.
Interesting what he says about Darren and Ferguson's brother getting roles at Utd.
 
He is exactly right. If the motivation for a decision is nepotism, then this will never be in the best interests of the club, except by coincidence.
There are far too many sycophants in football and public life happy to ignore this and laud a petulant, nasty and vindicative man, simply because his record of success is outstanding.
Fair play to Roy Keane for having the integrity to stick to his principles.
 
Keane is the biggest tosser of the lot.

He’s come out recently slating Jonathan Walters for getting emotional on TV when asked to talk about the death of his brother and a stillborn baby in the same week.

Scumbag.
 
Cheers for the post mate, I wouldn't mind watching the whole thing. Does anyone know where I can find it or a link to it?
 
I like Keane, he tells it like it is. Why should he hold his tongue if a player like Walters who wasn't fit to lace his boots has a pop.
His advice to Walters about the TV appearance are also correct. If you have family problems, maybe stay off the tele, lay low, get your head around your situation and support your family.
 
I lost all respect for Sir Alex when he pulled his loan players. This was an unprofessional vindictive act of revenge provoked by a perfectly reasonable decision by the PNE directors.

Pulis was different. I didn't have much respect for him in the first place but for him to be do the same presumably in response to pressure from Sir A was absolutely pathetic and he should rightly be pilloried for his sycophancy.

Keane is to be respected for speaking his mind. I do think he thinks a little too highly of himself and that he seems pretty unwilling to listen to other people's opinions.
I don't know the origins of his spat with Walters but I think that having a go at someone for getting emotional over something that is a pretty obviously a personal tragedy is pretty harsh. He (Keane) may regard himself as a hard man and may be playing to that image a little but I don't think his remit as a pundit extends to comments about people's personal lives.

In the same vein I think Libertine's comment (above) about Walters not being fit to lace Keane's boots is misplaced. I agree with the comparison in a football sense - but this is not a football related issue. This is about how should we react to each other as human beings and how we should empathise with each others emotions. On that criterion Keane should not be elevated above Walters and I think that as someone who clearly values his "hard man" image he is ill suited to pass comment - particularly in such a public forum.
 
Patrick Eastham said:
I lost all respect for Sir Alex when he pulled his loan players. This was an unprofessional vindictive act of revenge provoked by a perfectly reasonable decision by the PNE directors.

Pulis was different. I didn't have much respect for him in the first place but for him to be do the same presumably in response to pressure from Sir A was absolutely pathetic and he should rightly be pilloried for his sycophancy.

Keane is to be respected for speaking his mind. I do think he thinks a little too highly of himself and that he seems pretty unwilling to listen to other people's opinions.
I don't know the origins of his spat with Walters but I think that having a go at someone for getting emotional over something that is a pretty obviously a personal tragedy is pretty harsh. He (Keane) may regard himself as a hard man and may be playing to that image a little but I don't think his remit as a pundit extends to comments about people's personal lives.

In the same vein I think Libertine's comment (above) about Walters not being fit to lace Keane's boots is misplaced. I agree with the comparison in a football sense - but this is not a football related issue. This is about how should we react to each other as human beings and how we should empathise with each others emotions. On that criterion Keane should not be elevated above Walters and I think that as someone who clearly values his "hard man" image he is ill suited to pass comment - particularly in such a public forum.
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My point about being fit to lace his boots is totally in footballing terms.

I don't think Keane is particularly having a go at Walters for being upset about family tragedies. As I saw it he's implying that rather than taking every opportunity you can to be on television or radio as a rent-a-gob, why not take a step back and deal with what's going on in your real life. He then brings the medals up to illustrate how mediocre footballers now have opinions on everyone and everything, when they themselves weren't world beaters.
 
If I had to pick a greatest ever Premier League side, Keane would be the first name on my team sheet and captain, and Ferguson would undoubtedly be the manager. Like them or loathe them, these characters are giants of the game and helped create the legend of the Premier League, which is so tepid now in the absence of these stalwarts.

You don't reach the heights these people did, in any profession, without being ruthless. The same goes for the likes of Hemmings at PNE. Ferguson recalling his players was vindictive and spiteful, and Pulis doing the same under instruction from Old Trafford pure servility. You have to respect Keane for even taking on Ferguson who is nigh on untouchable.

I did not lose total respect for Ferguson in the way so many apparently, and understandably, did during this saga. For me, his record and legacy are just too impressive to not appreciate. His cap-wearing sycophant Pulis, on the other hand, I have less time for. There were many other factors that contributed to our relegation that year besides the premature recalling of loanees. Were the club competently run at the time, we had enough games left and a transfer window to put a decent side together and salvage the season.
 
Valid point Doc. You can't fail to respect Sir Alex's footballing record........but that isn't inconsistent with not respecting him as an individual.
 
Patrick Eastham said:
Valid point Doc. You can't fail to respect Sir Alex's footballing record........but that isn't inconsistent with not respecting him as an individual.
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Very true. I personally respect him on both levels - forcing myself to look past that episode with PNE to look at his career/life in football objectively. He is of course utterly ruthless and, as Keane eluded to, looked after his own pockets and those of his inner circle. But that's hardly anything to be ashamed of or new.

It's almost standard practice in football, and with each trophy Ferguson won he earned himself more power and leverage at United and elsewhere to look after himself and his family.

Didn't he ban the BBC from doing their post-match at Old Trafford for about 9 years because of a piece they did about his brothers involvement at the club? Incredible, imagine that happening now.
 
Keane fell out with Walters over his none training. Keane felt he committed himself more to roles outside of football than to his job. Keane basically said, you haven't got much to contribute to these shows when you haven't won a medal so I would concentrate more on the football side.

Would love a Keane type as manager. Can totally understand why people turn on him, but that's more to do with their lack of understanding and lack of willingness to give out (deserved) respect.
 
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