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Final Stand said:
I like Keane great bloke to have on your team, to straight talking for today’s world.
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He likes the sound of his own voice at times, but I'd agree he is very straight talking. Said the championship was very poor quality. He watched a lot of our games, so mustn't have been impressed!
 
Keane (along with Nev and Souness) is probably the best pundit out there. Says exactly during the game what the fans are saying and thinking, as opposed to that Captain Obvious idiot Hoddle.

Took over Sunderland with 1 point from 15, 41 games later, Champions.

I don't mind Keane, I always listen to what he has to say when on TV.
 
keanes a fanny, its all well and good mouthing off now that ferguson is all but 6ft under, where was he 10 years ago when he could have made a difference... nowhere cos he was as scared of baconface as the rest of them.
 
bobbydavro said:
keanes a fanny, its all well and good mouthing off now that ferguson is all but 6ft under, where was he 10 years ago when he could have made a difference... nowhere cos he was as scared of baconface as the rest of them.
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I think one of the reasons Fergie booted Keane out was because Keane spoke his mind. Obviously wasn't too concerned about Ferguson.
 
I’ve a good mate of mine who worked as a Steward tat the Board room at United and he always said Ferguson was the perfect gent, greeting all the staff properly whereas some of other ‘Icons’ were not that pleasant in person. I’ve read his books and you’ve got to take your hat off to him as a proper leader. Running a successful pub in working class when he was in his early 30’s shows the mettle of the guy. Keane is entertaining but without a filter and working out what to let go he couldn’t be a good manager. Like a lot of successful people though Fergie obviously had a blind spot when it came to his kids. Pullis deserves more stick IMHO.
 
Ferguson was a a very successful manager as his record show's and Man Utd backed him to achieve that success but the way that he reacted to his 'lad' being potted by us showed that he was no different to most of us in looking after our kids. If asked about it now I'm pretty sure he would admit it was not one of his better decisions.

They way Pullis also joined the party withdrawing his players showed him to be no more than a Ferguson 'lapdog' which in a strange way humours me.

Roy Keane is not everybody's cup of tea, a very good player but never a great, perhaps thinks he was better than he actually was but I must admit that when he takes the filter off and says some of the stuff he does I do usually find myself agreeing with what he says but maybe that's more to do with the lack of political correctness and his not toeing the line in football circles.
 
Bacon Face and Hemmings used to be best buddies via a shared interest in Horses. The sacking precipitated a Big Falling Out, don't know if it was ever resolved.
 
L30N said:
I’ve always liked Roy Keane. Sometimes he comes across as quite blunt and abrasive, but he won’t avoid saying something just to avoid hurting someone’s feelings and you have to respect him for it.

He’s basically confirmed what we all knew in the video below
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To be fair to Ferguson, the only thing he ever put above his job and making it a success was his family. From the other side it looks like complete nepotism though, agreed.
 
Strongbow said:
Ferguson was a a very successful manager as his record show's and Man Utd backed him to achieve that success but the way that he reacted to his 'lad' being potted by us showed that he was no different to most of us in looking after our kids. If asked about it now I'm pretty sure he would admit it was not one of his better decisions.

They way Pullis also joined the party withdrawing his players showed him to be no more than a Ferguson 'lapdog' which in a strange way humours me.

Roy Keane is not everybody's cup of tea, a very good player but never a great, perhaps thinks he was better than he actually was but I must admit that when he takes the filter off and says some of the stuff he does I do usually find myself agreeing with what he says but maybe that's more to do with the lack of political correctness and his not toeing the line in football circles.
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If Ferguson thought in some way he was "looking after his kids" by withdrawing his players from North End AFTER DF's sacking, I'd like to know how.
It was nothing more than sour grapes and a show of childish petulance on his part.
One of the best managers ever and mostly comes across as a nice guy but he didn't show himself in the best light on that particular occasion.
 
Jack Daniels said:
Keane (along with Nev and Souness) is probably the best pundit out there. Says exactly during the game what the fans are saying and thinking, as opposed to that Captain Obvious idiot Hoddle.

Took over Sunderland with 1 point from 15, 41 games later, Champions.

I don't mind Keane, I always listen to what he has to say when on TV.
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Yet that is his only ok achievement as a manager. I doubt he'll manage again.
He criticises others - Fergie about his 'man management' yet no clubs want to appoint him. I wonder why.

Needs to look closer to home before he starts pointing the finger at people. His man management must be the worst in football.
 
Ferguson had been in football for a lifetime and knows how tenuous management is, as Hedgehog says it was sour grapes and childish.

He was without doubt one of the great managers of his time.

Personally I would have more respect for the guy if he had as time has past in an interview or even his memoirs or some other occasion when asked if he had any regrets as they usually do, he had referenced occasion and admitted it wasn’t his finest hour, but I feel that is not in his make up.
 
If my son worked for a firm and was sacked, I doubt I'd use the company again, just out of loyalty to my son. I can't believe grown men on here are still angry about something Ferguson and Pulis did several years ago and still have such hatred for them about it. It's only bloody football.
 
Dirty Harry said:
If my son worked for a firm and was sacked, I doubt I'd use the company again, just out of loyalty to my son. I can't believe grown men on here are still angry about something Ferguson and Pulis did several years ago and still have such hatred for them about it. It's only bloody football.
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No hatred from me and I'm not angry about it. Just stating that I think his actions at the time were rather child like ie. taking his ball home.
 
Dirty Harry said:
If my son worked for a firm and was sacked, I doubt I'd use the company again, just out of loyalty to my son. I can't believe grown men on here are still angry about something Ferguson and Pulis did several years ago and still have such hatred for them about it. It's only bloody football.
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I'd wonder why my son was sacked. It wouldn't necessarily mean I wouldn't use the place again. He wasn't that good at his job. He wasn't exactly treated brilliantly though either, or given the tools to do the job. Maurice Lindsey for one!
 
I don't see how anyone can really disagree that Ferguson is the most successful British manager ever. About 50 trophies in all ? So many league titles, I lost count. He was also ruthless and if the reports are true about him manhandling Giggs and his mates out of parties and throwing boots in players faces in the dressing room, then you could say he was a bully, too. Is that to be admired as good management ? Not in my book but some people are prepared to do anything to get where they want to be, aren't they.
 
Realistic said:
I don't see how anyone can really disagree that Ferguson is the most successful British manager ever. About 50 trophies in all ? So many league titles, I lost count. He was also ruthless and if the reports are true about him manhandling Giggs and his mates out of parties and throwing boots in players faces in the dressing room, then you could say he was a bully, too. Is that to be admired as good management ? Not in my book but some people are prepared to do anything to get where they want to be, aren't they.
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I still find it fascinating the way the Interweb can distort and amplify things. You make it sound like he made a habit of these things

The single party incident was:
3. The House Party in 1992
This one has gone down well for Lee Sharpe on the after-dinner circuit. Late spring in 1992 was a very stressful time at Manchester United. They were in the process of throwing away the title to Leeds United and were in the middle of a calamitous losing streak. Lee Sharpe wasn't worried and he brought Giggsy off to a house party a few nights after United played West Ham. Ferguson got wind of this party and shot down there.

The Manchester United manager did not feel he needed a warrant to enter this private premises. Ferguson claims to have found a "full blown party" in progress though Sharpe disputes this. Giggs was reportedly found cowering in a cupboard when Fergie arrived.

Ferguson ordered everyone out of the house, (in spite of the fact only two of those present were Manchester United players) giving everyone a cuff around the back of the head as they went out the door, including possibly the owner of the house.

And the single boot incident (from Fergie's autobiography and Beckham's relating) was a random kick at a pile in the changing room in frustration out of which flew a boot which nicked B's eyebrow. This happened at a time B was agitating for a move to Real Madrid. The subsequent pictures with hair drawn back by an Alice band were not accidental. He moved at the end of the season.
 
WhiteWomble said:
I still find it fascinating the way the Interweb can distort and amplify things. You make it sound like he made a habit of these things

The single party incident was:
3. The House Party in 1992
This one has gone down well for Lee Sharpe on the after-dinner circuit. Late spring in 1992 was a very stressful time at Manchester United. They were in the process of throwing away the title to Leeds United and were in the middle of a calamitous losing streak. Lee Sharpe wasn't worried and he brought Giggsy off to a house party a few nights after United played West Ham. Ferguson got wind of this party and shot down there.

The Manchester United manager did not feel he needed a warrant to enter this private premises. Ferguson claims to have found a "full blown party" in progress though Sharpe disputes this. Giggs was reportedly found cowering in a cupboard when Fergie arrived.

Ferguson ordered everyone out of the house, (in spite of the fact only two of those present were Manchester United players) giving everyone a cuff around the back of the head as they went out the door, including possibly the owner of the house.

And the single boot incident (from Fergie's autobiography and Beckham's relating) was a random kick at a pile in the changing room in frustration out of which flew a boot which nicked B's eyebrow. This happened at a time B was agitating for a move to Real Madrid. The subsequent pictures with hair drawn back by an Alice band were not accidental. He moved at the end of the season.
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"You make it sound like he made a habit of these things"

I don't know what went on during Ferguson's career as a manager. You hear things over the years and you make up your own mind. Giving "everyone" a cuff round the back of the head, including possibly the owner of the house, is bully behaviour though and more seriously, it's also common assault.

I don't think Ferguson's excuse that his football club were about to lose the premier league title would have been too successful, if someone had pressed charges.
 
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