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Confirmed Hecky Banned 3 Games

Confirmed Hecky Banned 3 Games

B(rad)P(otts)IG said:
I really don’t think a touchline ban makes a single jot of difference tbh. He’ll be in constant contact with the bench anyway.
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I think the problem really is that he's a repeat offender so the refs are going to be paying extra attention to him. They won't necessarily have too much of an impact in how we manage games but they might have an impact in how refs treat us and him.
 
ConnorPR2 said:


Noticed this in X, looks like it’s the refs view on the Hecky incident at Watford.
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They make you laugh referees with their wording and demeanour in their match reports.

It’s as if they don’t strut around before, during and after the game with complete and utter arrogance. Committing fuck up after fuck up with an overriding air of untouchability.

Then in the match reports it’s like they’re little teenagers reffing their very first game coming up against a bunch of thugs. Little meek talk about “professional atmosphere” and “underhand approach” as if they’ve not just snugly booked every player on the pitch or gaffer on the touchline for daring to question their absolute authority.

Hecky needs to wind it in though, because it’s clearly going to get round the little club that he’s giving one of their own a hard time. In fact, with the shocking penalty calls that we’ve not been given, it seems to already be the case.
 
Mr Meeseeks said:
They make you laugh referees with their wording and demeanour in their match reports.

It’s as if they don’t strut around before, during and after the game with complete and utter arrogance. Committing fuck up after fuck up with an overriding air of untouchability.

Then in the match reports it’s like they’re little teenagers reffing their very first game coming up against a bunch of thugs. Little meek talk about “professional atmosphere” and “underhand approach” as if they’ve not just snugly booked every player on the pitch or gaffer on the touchline for daring to question their absolute authority.

Hecky needs to wind it in though, because it’s clearly going to get round the little club that he’s giving one of their own a hard time. In fact, with the shocking penalty calls that we’ve not been given, it seems to already be the case.
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To be fair all Hecky is doing is what every football fan would love to do and I applaud that.

All this ‘respect the ref’ bollocks is nonesense. I agree it’s like they are untouchable.
 
The attitude towards match officials from fans, players and management in this country is appalling.

Football must be unique as a sport in terms of how commonplace abuse of the match officials is.

The majority of officials are perfectly fine, and they all get treated like dogshit. And no I’ve never been a ref.
 
Doc Brown said:
The attitude towards match officials from fans, players and management in this country is appalling.

Football must be unique as a sport in terms of how commonplace abuse of the match officials is.

The majority of officials are perfectly fine, and they all get treated like dogshit. And no I’ve never been a ref.
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It’s unique in that there is absolutely no ownership of decisions or culpability.

In cricket you have a review system that works well for the most part, though some of the umpires call decisions are a bit frustrating. Apart from the recent Ashes snicko drama, it’s rare you get any honking decisions. The laws are set and applied consistently, every county or country knows where they stand and how the review system works.

In rugby, the officials on the pitch are clear and assertive in their decision making. Clear communication and rationale behind their decision making. I don’t watch it much but I don’t recall ever seeing a decision and thinking it was a terrible call and hearing the thought process behind the decision makes a massive difference.

Then you have football. Referees in the professional game who think they’re as much of a superstar as the players. No clear communication, no consistency and you’re talking about at least one stinking decision per league per gameweek. The level of refereeing quality is in the gutter and the ownership of decisions is even worse. A result can hinge solely on the action(s) of an official yet there’s never any responsibility taken, even when they’ve got Stockley Park looking at it over and over but coming to the wrong decision.

Whenever we get a decent referee, it’s commented on, on the stands and on the forum, whether we win or lose, so it’s not a blind pile-on, no matter who the referee is or what they have done. But that’s the problem, when you have a referee who actually does a decent job, it’s picked up and commented on as the anomaly as opposed to the norm. You speak to any fan across the EPL and EFL and they’ll all tell you the same thing, the quality of refereeing is actually getting worse despite technical advancements in the field of officiating.
 
Let's be honest Hecky should have just shaken his hand and moved on. I know that Hecky has said he never punched the wall and also said he had a statement from Watford's stadium manager to say he didn't, so I understand why he would call the ref a liar, that type of reaction basically proves it (In FA parlance, using probability). The ref also had a shocker in the first Watford game, we did win it (I think), wasn't that the game where Ledson attacked a defenders foot with his head?

That said the standard of refereeing is very poor, I admit it is a hard job, but technology is there to make it a bit easier, and utilise the 4th official more, so far all I see is he just stands between the technical boxes and gets grief from the management teams.

Yesterday's ref again was very poor, not picking up on the time wasting, niggly fouls, and shirt pulling from the start. At least he was constantly poor, as I though Harrison was very lucky to get away with a few fouls, and Whiteman could have been booked sooner for one of his now customary lunges.
 
Be interesting to see if fat franks bullshit gets as much grief.

Am conflicted on the Hecky thing, if the ref has genuinely lied, then I agree with the principle. Obviously, tho, pragmatism probably gets better results.

But if refs were better trained, they’d make less ego calls, managers and players would be less frustrated, behaviour would improve.
 
PNE Chris said:
His behaviour should absolutely not be applauded. He sounds like a petulant little nobhead and it's not a good look for anyone involved.
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I agree that he needs to rein it in a bit towards officials. But it’s quite easy to say he sounds like a “petulant little nobhead” when we’re not in his shoes, he’s been around the game for a while so he’s obviously formed an opinion on the officiating and referees in football.

But especially in this situation when the context is, a referee has deemed to lie about something he has done. I think if someone proclaimed I had punched a wall and deemed me aggressive and physical when I hadn’t ultimately attacking my character, I’d be a bit salty towards said person.
 
Doc Brown said:
The majority of officials are perfectly fine, and they all get treated like dogshit. And no I’ve never been a ref.
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The standard of officiating in the Championship is the worst I can ever remember.

I am not saying that as a PNE fan but a football fan in general.

It's a difficult job but these officials are now well paid professionals and the standard should be better.

There is very little consistency and often they simply have too much influence on the games.

Steve Martin is a prime example who thinks that everyone who attends a game he is officiating is there to watch him.

There seems to be a increase in the number of charges being levelled at players and clubs for their 'independent' kangeroo court making the punishments up as they go along.

To say that the majority are "fine" is total rubbish.
 
JK said:
The standard of officiating in the Championship is the worst I can ever remember.

I am not saying that as a PNE fan but a football fan in general.

It's a difficult job but these officials are now well paid professionals and the standard should be better.

There is very little consistency and often they simply have too much influence on the games.

Steve Martin is a prime example who thinks that everyone who attends a game he is officiating is there to watch him.

There seems to be a increase in the number of charges being levelled at players and clubs for their 'independent' kangeroo court making the punishments up as they go along.

To say that the majority are "fine" is total rubbish.
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Absolutely. I watch quite a few games, where I am completely neutral and the standard is poor and getting worse.
 
JK said:
The standard of officiating in the Championship is the worst I can ever remember.

I am not saying that as a PNE fan but a football fan in general.

It's a difficult job but these officials are now well paid professionals and the standard should be better.

There is very little consistency and often they simply have too much influence on the games.

Steve Martin is a prime example who thinks that everyone who attends a game he is officiating is there to watch him.

There seems to be a increase in the number of charges being levelled at players and clubs for their 'independent' kangeroo court making the punishments up as they go along.

To say that the majority are "fine" is total rubbish.
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This all day long.
 
keasden said:
If we read that same story about another manager we'd all be saying what a wanker he was.
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Possibly, but we know the context of the issue. Read that as a stand alone and it is not good. Read that with the understanding that Hecky is accused by the Ref of punching a wall, got banned and fined a considerable amount of dosh, when he said he didn't and got various statements from Watford official's saying he didn't, you then understand why Heckingbottom accused the guy of being a liar.

I still say he should have coldly shaken the refs hand and moved on though.
 
JK said:
The standard of officiating in the Championship is the worst I can ever remember.

I am not saying that as a PNE fan but a football fan in general.

It's a difficult job but these officials are now well paid professionals and the standard should be better.

There is very little consistency and often they simply have too much influence on the games.

Steve Martin is a prime example who thinks that everyone who attends a game he is officiating is there to watch him.

There seems to be a increase in the number of charges being levelled at players and clubs for their 'independent' kangeroo court making the punishments up as they go along.

To say that the majority are "fine" is total rubbish.
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Trouble is it’s six and two threes
Players, match officials , managers, I’m not so sure any of said groups are on any kind of moral high ground ?
 
If he believes an official has lied to get him into trouble, then he is going to hold a grudge. He's not said anything outlandish. He's got a touchline ban, it is what it is, but he can still watch the game and make decisions and influence the game based off that.

I just don't think it's that deep.

Refereeing standards are shit too, so managers commenting on that, if it's warranted, I think is also fair. Which is something that can also get managers into trouble.
 
monky1234 said:
If he believes an official has lied to get him into trouble, then he is going to hold a grudge. He's not said anything outlandish. He's got a touchline ban, it is what it is, but he can still watch the game and make decisions and influence the game based off that.

I just don't think it's that deep.

Refereeing standards are shit too, so managers commenting on that, if it's warranted, I think is also fair. Which is something that can also get managers into trouble.
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The biggest worry is what happens if he’s censured again? Stadium ban?

I agree with much of what has been said about the quality of officials and how he must have been feeling aggrieved but there are times in life (especially at work) when we have to bite our tongues. This doesn’t seem to have been a heat of the moment thing so he really should have held back.
 
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