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VernonsBoots said:
Nothing to do with discrimination of any kind, more inclusive!
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Sorry Vern but it sounds like discrimination to me. There should be no discrimination at all, (so-called) positive or otherwise.

The best players should be picked, white, black, green, Asian, martian whatever. If a lad called Khan scores 30 goals for North End next season he'll have his name on more shirts than anyone else.

Similarly if he was called Cohen.

Apart from the ease of acquiring public funds, why does there seem to be this national obsession with the so-called 'Asian community'?

Why not the Jewish 'community'?
The Chinese?
The Poles?
The 'travelling community'???😱

Isn't there just ONE community; that of Preston?

What next? Not enough gay players so let's target the gay clubs in Blackpool? 😱

Not enough disabled players? 😕

Where does it end - apart from with the PC lunacy that infests the public sector???

I remember being on a game at Deepdale with some Asian lads in front of us recently and my mate remarked afterwards 'wasn't it good to see those lads there'.

I replied along the lines of 'Why? They're just lads, aren't they?'

The folly of the race relations industry in this country has been to segregate and divide in the name of 'equality' and 'positive discrimination' is its most damaging weapon and should be avoided at all costs. (Those Gloucester Police headlines did wonders for racial harmony last week, eh).

However, for the record, we would have had an Asian player this summer . . . if Michael Chopra had agreed to sign. 😉
 
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Heard the curry house in Leyland called one of their curries 'The Kurt Nogan Josh'.
 
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King Kurt liked his ruby murrays, heard a tale of him liking curry houses so much that he decided to sleep there, underneath the tables to be correct!!
 
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Staffordwhite said:
Sorry Vern but it sounds like discrimination to me. There should be no discrimination at all, (so-called) positive or otherwise.

The best players should be picked, white, black, green, Asian, martian whatever. If a lad called Khan scores 30 goals for North End next season he'll have his name on more shirts than anyone else.

Similarly if he was called Cohen.

Apart from the ease of acquiring public funds, why does there seem to be this national obsession with the so-called 'Asian community'?

Why not the Jewish 'community'?
The Chinese?
The Poles?
The 'travelling community'???😱

Isn't there just ONE community; that of Preston?

What next? Not enough gay players so let's target the gay clubs in Blackpool? 😱

Not enough disabled players? 😕

Where does it end - apart from with the PC lunacy that infests the public sector???

I remember being on a game at Deepdale with some Asian lads in front of us recently and my mate remarked afterwards 'wasn't it good to see those lads there'.

I replied along the lines of 'Why? They're just lads, aren't they?'

The folly of the race relations industry in this country has been to segregate and divide in the name of 'equality' and 'positive discrimination' is its most damaging weapon and should be avoided at all costs. (Those Gloucester Police headlines did wonders for racial harmony last week, eh).

However, for the record, we would have had an Asian player this summer . . . if Michael Chopra had agreed to sign. 😉
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The fact is regardless of what you say we do have divided communities, what better way to bridge the gap than football.
I agree that players should be in the team on merit, or ability to shift merchandise.
 
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shaky said:
Yes you are, because there are lots of Asians playing, but hardly any muslims. 😀
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That's a bit of a generalised statement. Muslim doesn't necessarily mean the person is form the Asian contienent. Mulsims have many skin colours.

Please refer to the following links:

http://www.islamicweb.com/begin/results.htm

http://www.islamicweb.com/begin/population.htm

An interesting fact from the above links, 'one in every four humans is muslim'.

Sorry if you already knew this.
 
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pne56 said:
That's a bit of a generalised statement. Muslim doesn't necessarily mean the person is form the Asian contienent. Mulsims have many skin colours.

Please refer to the following links:

http://www.islamicweb.com/begin/results.htm

http://www.islamicweb.com/begin/population.htm

An interesting fact from the above links, 'one in every four humans is muslim'.

Sorry if you already knew this.
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Is that not what I said? Folk all too easily confuse the Asian community for the muslim community. However, when the links to muslim sites appears, I want nowt to do with it, there`s only one way this is going to go.
 
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I emailed Derek Shaw about this about 18 months ago and he assurred me that the club in no way discriminates against any colour or religious groups.
If the clubs scouting system spotted a player they fancied then that player would be approached for a trial, simple as.
He didn't offer an opinion as to why we haven't any Indian/Pakistani/British Asian players, or let me know if we have any on the books at junior/youth levels.
I felt the need to contact him regarding this for the same reasons mentioned on this thread. Whenever I've come up against a team of Indians/Pakistanis/British Asians they've always proven to be formidable opposition with at least a couple of really tricky players. I confess there is a difference between looking a good player on astro-turf playing 7-a-side but ability should come through. I don't go along with Surf's strength theory because a team needs a variety of players and there's plenty of small tricky players who you wouldn't describe as strong but maybe they have more than enough skill to compensate. Aaron Lennon springs to mind, small, pacy and full of tricks.
The non-playing reason for me contacting DS is the possibility of attracting a greater number of supporters from the Deepdale locality if they felt represented in the team. Supporters always warm to a local lad, colour, race and religion are insignificant.
 
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Well it was only a matter of time before somebody saw this thread as an opportunity to jump on their high horse of political correctness, I didn`t want to go there but my sick bucket is overflowing again.
The reason they are not playing for Preston is simple, they aren`t good enough or not interested.
It`s these types of theories that have led to people being promoted beyong their capabilities in the forces (then suing them as they would sue them if they weren`t promoted), and even in industry, and people who are capable being overlooked in favour of ethnic minorities. It`s called positive discrimination.
Imagine PNE employ a young Asian purely to boost popularity in the Deepdale community and he can`t hack it? The minute the booing starts you lot will be calling it racism, not the fact that he`s crap, and the project would have the opposite effect of what you are proposing.
It works when you bring in people who can play, Park was surely brought in at Man Ure to promote the brand in the far east, not for political correctness.
If a local lad was good enough he would be signed, that`s if a bigger club never got there first of course.Stop looking for excuses to accuse the club of racism.
This type of thing makes me retch, now where`s that bucket!
 
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shaky said:
The reason they are not playing for Preston is simple, they aren`t good enough or not interested.
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Doesn't this just tell you all you need to know about this man?
Surely this comment applies to all races/religions, but not in Shaky's little world!
 
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Mooney Magic said:
I emailed Derek Shaw about this about 18 months ago and he assurred me that the club in no way discriminates against any colour or religious groups.
If the clubs scouting system spotted a player they fancied then that player would be approached for a trial, simple as.
He didn't offer an opinion as to why we haven't any Indian/Pakistani/British Asian players, or let me know if we have any on the books at junior/youth levels.
I felt the need to contact him regarding this for the same reasons mentioned on this thread. Whenever I've come up against a team of Indians/Pakistanis/British Asians they've always proven to be formidable opposition with at least a couple of really tricky players. I confess there is a difference between looking a good player on astro-turf playing 7-a-side but ability should come through. I don't go along with Surf's strength theory because a team needs a variety of players and there's plenty of small tricky players who you wouldn't describe as strong but maybe they have more than enough skill to compensate. Aaron Lennon springs to mind, small, pacy and full of tricks.
The non-playing reason for me contacting DS is the possibility of attracting a greater number of supporters from the Deepdale locality if they felt represented in the team. Supporters always warm to a local lad, colour, race and religion are insignificant.
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I had a quick play around on Google and came up with something on this subject which is not far from home at all:

http://www.uclan.ac.uk/news/2006/web010.htm

The University of Central Lancashire, along with the National Football Museum, jointly formed the 'International Football Institute' and one of it's research projects was with Burnley FC looking at why Asians were not involved to any great extent in football in Burnley.

The findings and recommendations from this venture are not spelled out on the Uclan web-site, but the main one's are summarized in a BBC news report:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/4668112.stm

Burnley FC agreed to act on the main findings which are:

1) to focus on more football development centres in prediminantly Asian areas of the town;

2) to employ more Asian coaches;

3) to undertake more community coaching in local schools;

4) and to employ an ethnic diversity officer.

Which begs the question: if this is happening on our doorstep, (through IFI: aka, Uclan and the National Football Museum, in co-operation with Burnley FC) what is happening at Deepdale?
 
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Just returned hence no replies from me to date. Hilarious to see Shaky has given VB yet another good spanking.

Thta will teach you old boy to put up Politically Correct Insane ideas.
 
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VernonsBoots said:
Doesn't this just tell you all you need to know about this man?
Surely this comment applies to all races/religions, but not in Shaky's little world!
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What ARE you on about now?!

Shaky MEANS that there are no asians (AS YOU SAID) at PNE because they have not been identified as being good enough or not gone for trials because they are not able to or not interested.

I am confident if PNE spotted a player NO MATTER WHAT his race was he would be signed.
 
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