I don't think he cares enough...
His body language suggests that he wants out of Deepdale
Ledson
His body language suggests that he wants out of Deepdale
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Procter was a never was.
Ledson was signed, partially, in the hope that he would develop, and honestly he never really did, beyond becoming slightly less rash in the tackle. He's had reasonable games for us, he's carryable as a squad player. But clearly not cut out to be a regular starter, and playing him alongside Whiteman is horrible, every time.
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Ledson signed as a raw 21 year old and has managed to become a worse midfielder in the 5 years since. He has learned nothing from all the experienced midfielders he played with nor the coaches giving him advice, nor from his own game time. He’s supposed to be at his peak. Well done Ryan
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never gets any personal.abuse fro m me on matchday..... well,he can't hear me wh ich is all that counts when supporting your team. However, he really is abysmal. Lowey takes all.the blame for.ever even contemp lating playing Leddo. Keep picking him will be the en d of Lowey and good.riddance I will say cos if he thinks this player is worthy of a PNE shirt and wage ghen he should be nowhere near our club.
If you need to confi rm what an utterly awful.player he is then simply watch him danc ing around the pitch. It will.make you laugh outloud. And we have made him a million naire! just unbelievable Jeff
I agree and if anyone wants him, let him go.
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Strange things happen with players. Am I mistaken? Wasn’t Ledson Player of the Year fairly recently .Asfor falling from grace, Bauer, wasn’t he also Player of the Year. Neither player is too old age wise. What happened to their previous good that we valued so. Urchins has seemingly disappeared . Are they suddenly bad players or is it bad coaching and man management ?
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Damn typos…. Urchins = form
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Damn again…”we valued so much “
Think you need a new keyboard cha. 😉
The geezer scoring an own goal against QPR? No not really 🤣
I hope I don't regret that dig at Pearo tomorrow.
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Hasn't developed into a championship player... full stop
Ah...Ledo... what has happened?
There is a lot of OTT reactionary stuff posted about players, I see all the hyperbole about how awful Ledson, Brady, Woodman (and a few others) are, but these three seem to be the players of choice to have a pop at currently. Couple of things about Ledson - for balance.
1) When we signed Ledson, he had been a huge hit in League 1. Looked too good for the level, and we paid a hefty fee for him. Other clubs were interested but he came here. He was raw, but as a fan base we loved it when he came on the pitch as he gave us some bite. Every 50/50 drew a sharp intake of breath as he was always on the cusp of a red card. He's not a non-league player and anyone who posts this is taking things a step too far. He hasn't developed as we'd hoped he would, but how much of this is coaching and doing as he's told?
2) It's fair to say (as others have posted) that he has matured and dives in much less now than he did, but this occasionally makes him less effective. Remember the crunching tackle at Ewood last season in the first minute. Could have been a red card - instead, it arguably set the tone and won us the game. He rarely does this now - marking space, jogging back, holding the position, motioning to the forwards to get back and help. Why's that? Team instructions...
3) Passing - to me Ledson has always had the eye for an incisive pass. All too often, however, he telegraphs it and they get intercepted. Passes 'through the lines' as AN would have said. The long diagonals seemed to have stopped until recently - been out of the team and feels he has to show what he can do? At least he was trying to get us forward, unlike Whiteman who took the safe option every time on Tuesday night (and does all too often)
4) Passion - he cares, he really cares. Watch the goal celebrations. Even when he's on the bench he's the first into the celebrations, jumping on the scorer and enjoying being with the crowd.
5) He's a human being - he makes mistakes, we all do, we all get things wrong. Difference for most of us is when we're working, and we get something slightly wrong, we don't have 15,000 people telling us we're useless. Some of the stuff that has been posted about him, Brady and others, both here and on other platforms, is pretty unforgiveable in my view. I am not trying to be all saintly or anything, but please just remember that every single human being (well most) have got feelings and emotions. They don't mess things up deliberately, and don't deserve abuse for any of it. If you don't agree, please don't respond with the 'pay me 10k a week and I'll take abuse', as that's just stupid. No amount of money, 5k, 10k, 20k, 500k, can control our emotions. He's a human being - be kind to him as you'd want people to be kind to yourself. OTT criticism is counter-productive and a toxic environment never makes things better. Or as my mum would have said (and often did), 'If you can't think of something positive to say, say nothing'.
There is a lot of OTT reactionary stuff posted about players, I see all the hyperbole about how awful Ledson, Brady, Woodman (and a few others) are, but these three seem to be the players of choice to have a pop at currently. Couple of things about Ledson - for balance.
1) When we signed Ledson, he had been a huge hit in League 1. Looked too good for the level, and we paid a hefty fee for him. Other clubs were interested but he came here. He was raw, but as a fan base we loved it when he came on the pitch as he gave us some bite. Every 50/50 drew a sharp intake of breath as he was always on the cusp of a red card. He's not a non-league player and anyone who posts this is taking things a step too far. He hasn't developed as we'd hoped he would, but how much of this is coaching and doing as he's told?
2) It's fair to say (as others have posted) that he has matured and dives in much less now than he did, but this occasionally makes him less effective. Remember the crunching tackle at Ewood last season in the first minute. Could have been a red card - instead, it arguably set the tone and won us the game. He rarely does this now - marking space, jogging back, holding the position, motioning to the forwards to get back and help. Why's that? Team instructions...
3) Passing - to me Ledson has always had the eye for an incisive pass. All too often, however, he telegraphs it and they get intercepted. Passes 'through the lines' as AN would have said. The long diagonals seemed to have stopped until recently - been out of the team and feels he has to show what he can do? At least he was trying to get us forward, unlike Whiteman who took the safe option every time on Tuesday night (and does all too often)
4) Passion - he cares, he really cares. Watch the goal celebrations. Even when he's on the bench he's the first into the celebrations, jumping on the scorer and enjoying being with the crowd.
5) He's a human being - he makes mistakes, we all do, we all get things wrong. Difference for most of us is when we're working, and we get something slightly wrong, we don't have 15,000 people telling us we're useless. Some of the stuff that has been posted about him, Brady and others, both here and on other platforms, is pretty unforgiveable in my view. I am not trying to be all saintly or anything, but please just remember that every single human being (well most) have got feelings and emotions. They don't mess things up deliberately, and don't deserve abuse for any of it. If you don't agree, please don't respond with the 'pay me 10k a week and I'll take abuse', as that's just stupid. No amount of money, 5k, 10k, 20k, 500k, can control our emotions. He's a human being - be kind to him as you'd want people to be kind to yourself. OTT criticism is counter-productive and a toxic environment never makes things better. Or as my mum would have said (and often did), 'If you can't think of something positive to say, say nothing'.
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4) Passion - he cares, he really cares. Watch the goal celebrations. Even when he's on the bench he's the first into the celebrations, jumping on the scorer and enjoying being with the crowd.
When he scores watch my goal celebrations... I care. I care at least as much as ledson..... but you wouldn't pick me for the team. Yes we need passionate players, but more than that they are need to have championship capability
When he scores watch my goal celebrations... I care. I care at least as much as ledson..... but you wouldn't pick me for the team. Yes we need passionate players, but more than that they are need to have championship capability
Sorry, you’ve misinterpreted the post. I wasn’t saying he’s passionate so pick him, it was another reason being given to lay off the lad.
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He thinks he is better than he is - I suspect.
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His passing is poor , he goes to ground way too easily in the tackle , he's slow ((especially on the turn) , he's not great at tracking runners , he marks space instead of an opponent too often , he is devoid of creativity and prefers a rushed blind hook forward over a measured pass , hardly ever scores ... but he does celebrate a goal well . I think I'm coming down on the side of the " he's not good enough " argument !
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I take it you don’t rate him
I don’t like to slag our players off, but I really don’t think that he is good enough for the Championship…..
My issue with ledson is that I really can't identify something he does well. We've had some amazing midfielders at this level since promotion as well as some poor ones, but ledson is the only one I can think of that really doesn't offer a single outstanding quality.
Pearson is obvious, he was great in the tackle, could carry the ball and was an ok passer. Gally had phenomenal range, vision and accuracy. Even Welsh was a good tackler, even if he was very limited in every other regard.
Today we have Ali, who is a very good tackler both standing and when going to ground. Whiteman is just a worse gally but he can put in a decent tackle, and I can see what he offers to the team. Browne requires no introduction, he's just a very good player. A team can always have someone like that in the squad, but why does he start so often?
What does ledson do? His passing is pedestrian, his range and vision is poor, his tackling is inferior to any of the other defensive mods we've had: Whiteman, Ali and even Browne. He runs around a lot like Browne but to much less effect, and his shooting is atrocious. He's such a frustrating player who I had massive hopes for.
Now I'm getting all sentimental for that Person/Gally/Browne midfield. I pity the likes of @Silverback who never got to see it in its heyday.
Pearson is obvious, he was great in the tackle, could carry the ball and was an ok passer. Gally had phenomenal range, vision and accuracy. Even Welsh was a good tackler, even if he was very limited in every other regard.
Today we have Ali, who is a very good tackler both standing and when going to ground. Whiteman is just a worse gally but he can put in a decent tackle, and I can see what he offers to the team. Browne requires no introduction, he's just a very good player. A team can always have someone like that in the squad, but why does he start so often?
What does ledson do? His passing is pedestrian, his range and vision is poor, his tackling is inferior to any of the other defensive mods we've had: Whiteman, Ali and even Browne. He runs around a lot like Browne but to much less effect, and his shooting is atrocious. He's such a frustrating player who I had massive hopes for.
Now I'm getting all sentimental for that Person/Gally/Browne midfield. I pity the likes of @Silverback who never got to see it in its heyday.