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I agree that Woodburn and Ledson aren't good enough but regardless the quality of manager, at some point you have to use all the options available in your squad. Better them coming off the bench than having to rely on them starting week in week out because we haven't managed the first XI properly. If our fringe players come off the bench and cost us games then unfortunately that might just be our level as a unit
 
waverider said:
I agree that Woodburn and Ledson aren't good enough but regardless the quality of manager, at some point you have to use all the options available in your squad. Better them coming off the bench than having to rely on them starting week in week out because we haven't managed the first XI properly. If our fringe players come off the bench and cost us games then unfortunately that might just be our level as a unit
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Would be a more valid point if Ledson didn't come on ahead of Browne who's been our best player this year
 
Pne_Gaz said:
Would be a more valid point if Ledson didn't come on ahead of Browne who's been our best player this year
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Do you honestly think that's come from some kind of pro-Scouse bias, and not from the PNE medical team saying that certain players were only fit enough for an absolute maximum of 15mins this week?
 
Pne_Gaz said:
Would be a more valid point if Ledson didn't come on ahead of Browne who's been our best player this year
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Isn't browne carrying an injury of sorts atm? He came off the other week didn't he? Its probably a case of managing fitness above all else, Lowe isn't stupid enough to not rate Alan Browne

I agree with the type of substitution that Ledson was, hard tackling defensive midfielder to come on and see out the game. We can all identify that he's not really cut out to play against Leeds but if we're suggesting we ignore game time for the senior pros that 'aren't good enough' then we will quickly and surely run into squad issues
 
If Browne can only play 15 minutes where's Mawene? I understand he's a youth player, Lowe isn't keen on youth and he might not be good enough but surely he's a better option by virtue of being able to play for longer?

I'd be the first to criticise Woodburn when he makes me a mistake but at the same time he's barely even played in reserve games, surely we'd be better placed if we actually gave our reserves minutes? I think this one of Lowe's failings that isn't touched on that much - lack of match fitness in the reserves
 
Bobbage said:
Do you honestly think that's come from some kind of pro-Scouse bias, and not from the PNE medical team saying that certain players were only fit enough for an absolute maximum of 15mins this week?
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I'm not really one for the whole pro-scouse bias angle, I'm all for getting the best players possible and if you get them from your scouse connections, so be it.
Imo, if a player is only fit enough for 15 minutes, they're not fit enough for the bench. Hard to say as fans where exactly Browne is with his fitness but I don't see how much difference the extra 7 minutes would've made in the second half where we starting to sit deeper and deeper.
waverider said:
Isn't browne carrying an injury of sorts atm? He came off the other week didn't he? Its probably a case of managing fitness above all else, Lowe isn't stupid enough to not rate Alan Browne

I agree with the type of substitution that Ledson was, hard tackling defensive midfielder to come on and see out the game. We can all identify that he's not really cut out to play against Leeds but if we're suggesting we ignore game time for the senior pros that 'aren't good enough' then we will quickly and surely run into squad issues
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Ledson may tackle hard, but he takes the player 7 or 8 times out of 10 and is unsuited to seeing a game out mainly because he usually takes some sort of stupid yellow card, can't pass more than ten yards and can't really track his man either. I get that we need to manage our players and the lesser players need to play but not if it the same players consistently show nothing. May as well have thrown Mawene to the wolves, least he wouldn't have carelessly thrown his arms out for no reason and concede the penalty.
 
This manager has cost us so many points with either terrible team selection or substitutions that clearly don't work. many have said it on here for some reason there is some love in with Ledson and woodburn to the exclusion of others who would be more suited to trying to see the game out.

He made a howler yesterday. At 1-1 at Elland Road its a fantastic point if we get to full time but to take the attacking line just invited constant pressure. Ledson lost his head as soon as he entered the field, a complete waste of substitute. he runs about like a headless chicken waving his arms pulling his shorts up but does nothing to offer anything constructive to the team, in fact he endangers the team with every missed pass and his stupid antics. Woodburn is another who offers very little.

Lowe should have stuck with what he had and perhaps tried to get us further up the pitch instead he thrust a young striker up there on his own in that atmosphere who has hardly played all season. Admittedly there were questionable decisions but we were playing Leeds Utd with at least 27k encouraging them on the referee was obviously intimidated but would he have given us a penalty had that incident been in the Leeds box - I very much doubt it - poor officials ruin the game.

Cornell was at fault with Hughes for their goal, James is 5ft 7" and gets a free header at the back post, Millar didn't track back either so all 2 needed a rocket.

Frankie McAvoy did less than Lowe and was sacked for it.

PR and CH have more or less openly said that Lowe will not be sacked but for how long can they let this go on? They might act in the summer but the available manager pool will be stocked with less quality candidates. In his interview PR said the goal is the premier league, well this manager there is not a hope of achieving that.
 
Archie LEACH said:
This manager has cost us so many points with either terrible team selection or substitutions that clearly don't work. many have said it on here for some reason there is some love in with Ledson and woodburn to the exclusion of others who would be more suited to trying to see the game out.

He made a howler yesterday. At 1-1 at Elland Road its a fantastic point if we get to full time but to take the attacking line just invited constant pressure. Ledson lost his head as soon as he entered the field, a complete waste of substitute. he runs about like a headless chicken waving his arms pulling his shorts up but does nothing to offer anything constructive to the team, in fact he endangers the team with every missed pass and his stupid antics. Woodburn is another who offers very little.

Lowe should have stuck with what he had and perhaps tried to get us further up the pitch instead he thrust a young striker up there on his own in that atmosphere who has hardly played all season. Admittedly there were questionable decisions but we were playing Leeds Utd with at least 27k encouraging them on the referee was obviously intimidated but would he have given us a penalty had that incident been in the Leeds box - I very much doubt it - poor officials ruin the game.

Cornell was at fault with Hughes for their goal, James is 5ft 7" and gets a free header at the back post, Millar didn't track back either so all 2 needed a rocket.

Frankie McAvoy did less than Lowe and was sacked for it.

PR and CH have more or less openly said that Lowe will not be sacked but for how long can they let this go on? They might act in the summer but the available manager pool will be stocked with less quality candidates. In his interview PR said the goal is the premier league, well this manager there is not a hope of achieving that.
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Correct in terms of Hughes for definite and arguably Millar.

Harsh to attach blame to Cornell - if he gets across split second earlier or later he probably saves it with one of his legs. It was a decent header from James - took the keepers arms out of play.
 
simo said:
Correct in terms of Hughes for definite and arguably Millar.

Harsh to attach blame to Cornell - if he gets across split second earlier or later he probably saves it with one of his legs. It was a decent header from James - took the keepers arms out of play.
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Hughes fault entirely, ball watching as he’s beaten by a 5ft 7in player. Can’t think of anything Hughes did that helped us at all. He had a nightmare of a game.
 
Pretty sure almost everyone correctly pointed out it was a direct Hughes mistake. He misjudged the flight of the ball, missed his header and gave James a free one. Wasn't even James beating him in the air, he wasn't close to him!
 
Every goal is someone’s fault. Archie Gray the Leeds fullback got torn apart by Millar at Deepdale and allowed him to score the winning goal. But Leeds have stuck with him. You can’t drop players who make mistakes or you’d have no players in the team. Ledson does play with his arms out and tried to whip them out of the way when the ball spun up. He didn’t hands it deliberately which is the offence he was punished for. It was the ref’s interpretation of the law.
 
Dick Dastardly said:
Every goal is someone’s fault. Archie Gray the Leeds fullback got torn apart by Millar at Deepdale and allowed him to score the winning goal. But Leeds have stuck with him. You can’t drop players who make mistakes or you’d have no players in the team. Ledson does play with his arms out and tried to whip them out of the way when the ball spun up. He didn’t hands it deliberately which is the offence he was punished for. It was the ref’s interpretation of the law.
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I'm not particularly bothered he gave away the pen. Can happen to anyone. It's more his awful form that's a reason to not play him. Been shocking for the last 12 months at least.
 
Dick Dastardly said:
Every goal is someone’s fault. Archie Gray the Leeds fullback got torn apart by Millar at Deepdale and allowed him to score the winning goal. But Leeds have stuck with him. You can’t drop players who make mistakes or you’d have no players in the team. Ledson does play with his arms out and tried to whip them out of the way when the ball spun up. He didn’t hands it deliberately which is the offence he was punished for. It was the ref’s interpretation of the law.
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It’s not an interpretation of the law, that makes it sound like there was a choice - it’s the laws, he had no choice. You're right though, Ledson does have his arms out like that, so he possibly needs to adjust his stance in future if that’s possible.
 
wld said:
It’s not an interpretation of the law, that makes it sound like there was a choice - it’s the laws, he had no choice. You're right though, Ledson does have his arms out like that, so he possibly needs to adjust his stance in future if that’s possible.
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Never seen a professional footballer love playing scarecrow tig so much before
 
Dick Dastardly said:
Every goal is someone’s fault. Archie Gray the Leeds fullback got torn apart by Millar at Deepdale and allowed him to score the winning goal. But Leeds have stuck with him. You can’t drop players who make mistakes or you’d have no players in the team. Ledson does play with his arms out and tried to whip them out of the way when the ball spun up. He didn’t hands it deliberately which is the offence he was punished for. It was the ref’s interpretation of the law.
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Archie Gray is 17 years old though. At that age, he's bound to make mistakes but you stick with him so he can learn from them. Ledson is 26. He's coming into the prime of his career. His mistakes should be fewer and further between. He's still a backup player for us and isn't likely to improve much.
 
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