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MBcha said:
Think along the lines of football administration.
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So we reckon this fella has had dealings with Our Peter during one football administration or another then?

Do we actually have any evidence of this, beyond the fact the guy has said he happens to work in a particular industry?

It’s not just football clubs that go into administration.
 
AssemblyAtWembley said:
That’s kind of my point.

We’ve been relegated to League One three times in the last 20 years.

One day I’d like to see us return to the PL but in the meantime, I’d love us to become an established Championship club.

We’ve got a bigger budget than you but I’d love my club to get to what your club has achieved.

Which is why I find the attitude of your fan base so odd.
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Because you don't have to watch the football, the inept tactics and listen to the absolute bullshit spouted by the Manager and Chairman. When you've done that for any length of time then come back and spout.

Nuff said. 🙂
 
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If Coley was a plastic, Nuge was a Fox and this fecker is an Owl then I'll show my asrse.

Given the state of our team and the clot in charge then you'd think PNE would have better things to focus on rather than pay people to argue on here about how we should all be grateful.
 
Liberation said:
If Coley was a plastic, Nuge was a Fox and this fecker is an Owl then I'll show my asrse.

Given the state of our team and the clot in charge then you'd think PNE would have better things to focus on rather than pay people to argue on here about how we should all be grateful.
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I may be wrong but I think this bloke is a Wednesday supporter and may have been quite involved with them over the years. He may simply be a PR 'proxy' of course, but I don't think so.
 
Schemer said:
I may be wrong but I think this bloke is a Wednesday supporter and may have been quite involved with them over the years. He may simply be a PR 'proxy' of course, but I don't think so.
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Nah as Footballcrazy has said he/she has gone into far too much detail about our club, it’s another sermon in “know your place” zzzzzzzzzzz.
 
Joanpne said:
Nah as Footballcrazy has said he/she has gone into far too much detail about our club, it’s another sermon in “know your place” zzzzzzzzzzz.
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Maybe, but all the information he posted is readily available online and as a qualified accountant you would expect him to have a good grasp of it. I do believe he is a Wednesday supporter but that's not to say he hasn't had past dealings with someone at PNE - in fact I think that's quite likely 😉
 
Schemer said:
Maybe, but all the information he posted is readily available online and as a qualified accountant you would expect him to have a good grasp of it. I do believe he is a Wednesday supporter but that's not to say he hasn't had past dealings with someone at PNE - in fact I think that's quite likely 😉
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Aye friendly with one or all of the hierarchy at the club. Maybe part of the wendies hierarchy. Even then though he should have enough problems at Hillsboro to be getting on with rather than getting involved with us mere mortals at Deepdale.
 
Liberation said:
I'm not convinced. 🙂
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Joanpne said:
Nah as Footballcrazy has said he/she has gone into far too much detail about our club, it’s another sermon in “know your place” zzzzzzzzzzz.
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Agree why would he be that concerned as a Wednesday supporter. All a true supporter would want to do is celebrate a much needed 3 points.
I think Coley was a genuine albeit eccentric Rovers supporter. Pretended he was a PNE supporter ( very unconvincingly) for a time.
A somewhat deluded individual who I think may still be barred from posting.
 
Schemer said:
Maybe, but all the information he posted is readily available online and as a qualified accountant you would expect him to have a good grasp of it. I do believe he is a Wednesday supporter but that's not to say he hasn't had past dealings with someone at PNE - in fact I think that's quite likely 😉
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It could be that he is a keen student of the game in general. I guess we will probably never know for sure.
 
AssemblyAtWembley said:
All mid table teams are inconsistent, that’s why they’re mid table.

You already have 35 points. You aren’t going to get less than 15 more to go into a relegation battle.

I am more concerned about the plight of Wednesday than an well run established Championship club that consistently comes higher than its budget should allow.

Which yet again - is my point.
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With our current form, we may just achieve that 15 plus point haul in our remaining games.
Should we have a dip in our current form, then I feel we may end up battling to avoid being dragged in to a relegation battle.
In your shoes I'd be far more concerned on how you are going to achieve those 30 plus points or so to ensure you are still not playing a division below"The Blades." next season.
 
No Danger said:
It could be that he is a keen student of the game in general. I guess we will probably never know for sure.
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Agreed but given " Our Peters " penchant for social media and his brazen ( and extremely stupid ) stunts in the past he's more than capable of sticking his big " oar " in or party to engineering it.

That said. hardly any fecker believes him these days so why waste his time?

Either way, the OP has pretty much been dismissed out of hand anyway so it was a bit of entertainment for a while. 🙂
 
Liberation said:
Agreed but given " Our Peters " penchant for social media and his brazen ( and extremely stupid ) stunts in the past he's more than capable of sticking his big " oar " in or party to engineering it.

That said. hardly any fecker believes him these days so why waste his time?

Either way, the OP has pretty much been dismissed out of hand anyway so it was a bit of entertainment for a while. 🙂
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He is capable of using the ‘dark arts’ that’s for sure.
 
AssemblyAtWembley said:
I’m a SWFC fan and as I usually do when we have a match, I take a look at how the opposing fans are feeling about things.

Hopefully, I’m not breaking any rules by posting this thread and it’ll be taken in the spirit it’s intended.

I’ve not felt the desire to open an account on another teams forum for many years, but the opinions I’ve read on here are so far removed from what I expected that I felt compelled.

According to the poll on this forum, nearly 80% of you think Lowe should be sacked - which massively surprised me.

Looking at it from the outside, it seems he is exceeding or at the very least meeting what should be expected.

You’ve got the 18th largest average attendance in the division. You are only averaging a few hundred more than QPR, Plymouth, Millwall and Swansea - all of whom have considerably less away fans through the door than you. Therefore, in terms of home supporter base, you are currently 22nd in the division, only ahead of Blackburn and Rotherham.

Every single one of the six teams with smaller averages is below you in the league table.

You don’t have a rich benefactor, so it is reasonable to assume that the teams above you in the league average attendance all have bigger budgets than you. Especially, since most of those teams are backed by wealthy owners and many have parachute payments.

This is backed up by your latest accounts (for 2022) which show your wage bill to be under £22m, comparatively small in the division. However, when you take into account of player amortisation, you are running at an operating loss of circa £20m. Obviously, for FFP purposes, some of these losses wouldn’t count towards the permitted losses of £39m over three seasons. However, maybe I was wrong when earlier I said you didn’t have a rich benefactor as it appears your owners must be basically losing very close to the permitted FFP amount every year.

The reason you can’t spend more is your modest turnover of £13.8m. For comparable purposes, Sheffield Wednesday had turnover of £16.3m in League One, therefore in The Championship their turnover is likely to be £10m higher than yours with the extra solidarity and TV payments.

Not only are your crowds small for the division, but the ticket prices you pay are also far below average. This can be evidenced by even a club like Luton (in 2022 so the year before they got promoted), had turnover of £17.7m.

Blackburn are one of the two clubs getting lower home support in numbers than you, but their turnover was £16.6m in 2022 - over 20% higher than yours.

I look at the teams immediately above you in the table and then compare their 2022 revenue figures and those of Sunderland, Bristol City, Boro’s and Watfords (due to parachute payments) dwarf yours.

Therefore, I’m struggling to see who is above you that you realistically think you should be above?

I then look at the teams below you. Coventry City had a turnover of £18m in 2022 and spent a fortune this Summer. Norwich have parachute payments, Stoke, Birmingham and Wednesday have far bigger budgets. Therefore, it appears lots of clubs would expect to be above you but aren’t.

Certainly in terms of budgets, Lowe has you punching well above your weight.

Then I’ve seen various comments that other clubs without big budgets have managed to get promotion to the PL. But unless I’m missing one, I don’t think a club with as smaller budget as yours has managed it for very many years!

Luton are perhaps the closest but I showed above that their revenue was still 30% higher than yours in 2022.

Bournemouth and Brentford are definitely historically smaller clubs but they had owners that backed them heavily and at the right time. There’s no way Bournemouth would get away nowadays (under heavier FFP legislation) with the losses they originally incurred to get into the EPL for the first time. Once they were in they then got locked into the parachute payment merry go round.

Brentford’s model allowed them to make huge profits on player sales (something no other club has managed to successfully replicate) but even then their turnover from day to day activities was £15.2m back in 18/19.

Therefore, and I guess in summary, to an outsider like me it appears that you are punching well above your weight.

You don’t get enough fans through the gate to achieve any more. And the fans you do get, don’t pay enough for your tickets. You would buck every trend going, if you managed to get to the PL and you are currently achieving pretty much the ceiling of what can reasonably be expected.

Your owner appears to be chucking in cash to the limit of what is permitted under FFP rules.

I totally accept that this post probably my won’t make me popular. But come on guys, what am I missing? It appears that your budget should probably make you are club that yo-yo’s between League One and The Championship but you are an established Championship club that is never in the conversations about relegation.

At the moment you just look like Charlton fans did whinging about coming mid table in the PL every year.
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Now we know PR's username.
 
AssemblyAtWembley said:
I’m a SWFC fan and as I usually do when we have a match, I take a look at how the opposing fans are feeling about things.

Hopefully, I’m not breaking any rules by posting this thread and it’ll be taken in the spirit it’s intended.

I’ve not felt the desire to open an account on another teams forum for many years, but the opinions I’ve read on here are so far removed from what I expected that I felt compelled.

According to the poll on this forum, nearly 80% of you think Lowe should be sacked - which massively surprised me.

Looking at it from the outside, it seems he is exceeding or at the very least meeting what should be expected.

You’ve got the 18th largest average attendance in the division. You are only averaging a few hundred more than QPR, Plymouth, Millwall and Swansea - all of whom have considerably less away fans through the door than you. Therefore, in terms of home supporter base, you are currently 22nd in the division, only ahead of Blackburn and Rotherham.

Every single one of the six teams with smaller averages is below you in the league table.

You don’t have a rich benefactor, so it is reasonable to assume that the teams above you in the league average attendance all have bigger budgets than you. Especially, since most of those teams are backed by wealthy owners and many have parachute payments.

This is backed up by your latest accounts (for 2022) which show your wage bill to be under £22m, comparatively small in the division. However, when you take into account of player amortisation, you are running at an operating loss of circa £20m. Obviously, for FFP purposes, some of these losses wouldn’t count towards the permitted losses of £39m over three seasons. However, maybe I was wrong when earlier I said you didn’t have a rich benefactor as it appears your owners must be basically losing very close to the permitted FFP amount every year.

The reason you can’t spend more is your modest turnover of £13.8m. For comparable purposes, Sheffield Wednesday had turnover of £16.3m in League One, therefore in The Championship their turnover is likely to be £10m higher than yours with the extra solidarity and TV payments.

Not only are your crowds small for the division, but the ticket prices you pay are also far below average. This can be evidenced by even a club like Luton (in 2022 so the year before they got promoted), had turnover of £17.7m.

Blackburn are one of the two clubs getting lower home support in numbers than you, but their turnover was £16.6m in 2022 - over 20% higher than yours.

I look at the teams immediately above you in the table and then compare their 2022 revenue figures and those of Sunderland, Bristol City, Boro’s and Watfords (due to parachute payments) dwarf yours.

Therefore, I’m struggling to see who is above you that you realistically think you should be above?

I then look at the teams below you. Coventry City had a turnover of £18m in 2022 and spent a fortune this Summer. Norwich have parachute payments, Stoke, Birmingham and Wednesday have far bigger budgets. Therefore, it appears lots of clubs would expect to be above you but aren’t.

Certainly in terms of budgets, Lowe has you punching well above your weight.

Then I’ve seen various comments that other clubs without big budgets have managed to get promotion to the PL. But unless I’m missing one, I don’t think a club with as smaller budget as yours has managed it for very many years!

Luton are perhaps the closest but I showed above that their revenue was still 30% higher than yours in 2022.

Bournemouth and Brentford are definitely historically smaller clubs but they had owners that backed them heavily and at the right time. There’s no way Bournemouth would get away nowadays (under heavier FFP legislation) with the losses they originally incurred to get into the EPL for the first time. Once they were in they then got locked into the parachute payment merry go round.

Brentford’s model allowed them to make huge profits on player sales (something no other club has managed to successfully replicate) but even then their turnover from day to day activities was £15.2m back in 18/19.

Therefore, and I guess in summary, to an outsider like me it appears that you are punching well above your weight.

You don’t get enough fans through the gate to achieve any more. And the fans you do get, don’t pay enough for your tickets. You would buck every trend going, if you managed to get to the PL and you are currently achieving pretty much the ceiling of what can reasonably be expected.

Your owner appears to be chucking in cash to the limit of what is permitted under FFP rules.

I totally accept that this post probably my won’t make me popular. But come on guys, what am I missing? It appears that your budget should probably make you are club that yo-yo’s between League One and The Championship but you are an established Championship club that is never in the conversations about relegation.

At the moment you just look like Charlton fans did whinging about coming mid table in the PL every year.
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This is an essay and a half. I asked ChatGPT to respond to this cos I ain't reading this W00Ds like monologue from Agent Craig or Peter.

However, it's crucial to remember that football outcomes hinge on on-field performance rather than financial metrics. While financial constraints are acknowledged, the success of a team is ultimately determined by its gameplay. Perhaps your examination should focus on the underlying playing statistics to explain their performance on the pitch to help understand why fans are disgruntled.
 
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