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Rafferty

Rafferty

oli_oconnell said:
I’ve explained why.

But I’ll expand.

I think he was poor physically, no running power, little strength, little pace, aerially small. Didn’t add anything to the side in this regard and it’s a big reason (imo) why he was shifted to LB - can come inside and combine easier there rather than being isolated and having to go outside players on the right.

I was think he was very conservative as a player - defensively didn’t engage in many duels at all, backed off opponents and let them gain ground regularly before engaging, generally on the back foot.

Didn’t really add anything technically either for me. No quality in attacking areas and didn’t really contribute to progressing the ball when deeper either through cute passing or dribbling.

Essentially I think he offered very very little and when he played I think we carried him. Hence I think he was a waste of a signing and as a result a waste of £700,000.
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I'll hold my hand up on this if my memory is wrong on this, but wasn't he moved to LB because of injuries?
 
Damp Squib said:
I'll hold my hand up on this if my memory is wrong on this, but wasn't he moved to LB because of injuries?
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Can’t remember - maybe, but he stayed there (again, only in my opinion) because whenever he played RB and was isolated against any winger he was horrific.

Anyway I’ve explained my reasoning.
 
oli_oconnell said:
I’ve explained why.

But I’ll expand.

I think he was poor physically, no running power, little strength, little pace, aerially small. Didn’t add anything to the side in this regard and it’s a big reason (imo) why he was shifted to LB - can come inside and combine easier there rather than being isolated and having to go outside players on the right.

I was think he was very conservative as a player - defensively didn’t engage in many duels at all, backed off opponents and let them gain ground regularly before engaging, generally on the back foot.

Didn’t really add anything technically either for me. No quality in attacking areas and didn’t really contribute to progressing the ball when deeper either through cute passing or dribbling.

Essentially I think he offered very very little and when he played I think we carried him. Hence I think he was a waste of a signing and as a result a waste of £700,000.
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Shifting him to left back was always for no other reason than necessity as far as I can see and because when AN played him there due to injuries in 19/20, he did an alright job covering. I think he played near enough as many games at RB the season after.

If he offered as little as you say we did well getting to the top of the championship with basically ten players.
 
Libertine said:
Shifting him to left back was always for no other reason than necessity as far as I can see and because when AN played him there due to injuries in 19/20, he did an alright job covering. I think he played near enough as many games at RB the season after.

If he offered as little as you say we did well getting to the top of the championship with basically ten players.
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We really did imo.
 
Libertine said:
Shifting him to left back was always for no other reason than necessity as far as I can see and because when AN played him there due to injuries in 19/20, he did an alright job covering. I think he played near enough as many games at RB the season after.

If he offered as little as you say we did well getting to the top of the championship with basically ten players.
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He could just about get a ball under control and pass it square. The only thing he excelled at was being extremely limited.
 
Thracia said:
He scored a goal that time at Swansea. When some people declared "we've found our left back!"

Maybe that was it?
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That was very much what I was thinking of. To be fair Rafferty's crossing was OK as well.

Yoowell said:
I’ve liked @ernest s post only because I think it’s the first time he’s not mentioned Maguire.
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I'll have to try not to mention him more often.
 
ernest said:
That was very much what I was thinking of. To be fair Rafferty's crossing was OK as well.



I'll have to try not to mention him more often.
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Joe Rafferty’s completed 21 successful crosses across his last 2 full seasons (19/20 and 20/21) - which works out at 0.37 successful crosses/90 minutes. His cross completion % was around 25%.

For some context Darnell Fisher (who I’m sure not many would consider a good crosser) completed 0.87 crosses/90, so around 3x more effective than Raff.
 
oli_oconnell said:
Joe Rafferty’s completed 21 successful crosses across his last 2 full seasons (19/20 and 20/21) - which works out at 0.37 successful crosses/90 minutes. His cross completion % was around 25%.

For some context Darnell Fisher (who I’m sure not many would consider a good crosser) completed 0.87 crosses/90, so around 3x more effective than Raff.
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Suppose that stat will be affected a bit by Darnell always playing on his favoured side of the pitch.
 
BAJPNE said:
I actually think he was one of the worst players i've seen in a North End shirt, had no technical quality at all and was only good for a ball down the line into the channel. Physically slow and weak, was incredibly worried the scouse bias would see him given an extra year.

Low end League one player at the very best.
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Wow. Sounds like hyperbole. Or you weren’t here under Westley…
 
Damp Squib said:
It is - I was simply intrigued to know why you considered him a waste of wages. I'll let Ryan to know we only need 11 players next year, he'll be delighted.
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The thing is, him being in the squad means that we didn't employ someone else to be there- be it a younger, developing understudy or someone who could have provided real competition for Fisher.
 
The classic squad filler. Did ok considering his obvious limitations, but an awful, lazy signing from 'the window from hell' (Rafferty, Ripley, Potts, Ginnelly, Stockley).
 
Onedevilsst said:
Wow. Sounds like hyperbole. Or you weren’t here under Westley…
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two of the favourites fron GW were keane and king

Raff has played more championship and L1 games than both of them and less L2 than both and 0 non league whereas they have over 100 & 200 NL games.....

when we needed a LB he tried to do a job for the team, rather than using the more experienced Fisher at LB Raff did it.....

he might not have been good enough (certainly not quick enough) but he never gave less the 100% of what he had....

Having said this I would still have preferred Coulton on the bench this past 2 months but we'd loaned him to Warrington when Greg & Earl were in the squad.
 
HunterLionheart said:
The thing is, him being in the squad means that we didn't employ someone else to be there- be it a younger, developing understudy or someone who could have provided real competition for Fisher.
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Thats certainly possible - equally, we could have given a chance to someone like we have with Earl and it backfires. It’s academic now anyway, he’s gone and hopefully we stop fucking about and employ wing backs.
 
sports rehab said:
two of the favourites fron GW were keane and king

Raff has played more championship and L1 games than both of them and less L2 than both and 0 non league whereas they have over 100 & 200 NL games.....

when we needed a LB he tried to do a job for the team, rather than using the more experienced Fisher at LB Raff did it.....

he might not have been good enough (certainly not quick enough) but he never gave less the 100% of what he had....

Having said this I would still have preferred Coulton on the bench this past 2 months but we'd loaned him to Warrington when Greg & Earl were in the squad.
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What does this actually mean?
 
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