The best keeper in the division!
yeah but some of those games in between won't be bad games either Shaky, a bit easy to blame the last 18 months on 1 player, and if we do drop him, who comes in? will he be better really? I think we all know our sub is only an emergency replacement. You could try and replace but we are losing as a team, not because of a bad goaly. Collectively he's made mistakes too but so have others. But as i'm sure you do, lets at least back him on the terraces for now, when he's gone you can judge him. Hes been a fantastic servant, and a model proffessional to the club. Its up to the managers to pick the team and they've all picked him, even Billy Davis until he got injured.
No because you fail to answer my question? You have no foundation and your hounding a great servant to Preston North End. Yes hes made mistakes but he doesn't pick the team he only tries his best. And because of your one opinion against many proffessional managers and players opinions you still think your 100% right. You also think by listing performances over the last 2 years which will be my alone opinion and yours will make a debate clearer. I know Peter Schemichel is a great keeper if not the greatest but like lonergan i can only vaguely remember certain saves. I build an opinion over time like yourself and i know hes not the greatest, i know he has his faults but hes certainly not the fall guy your claiming him to be. You claim he been poor for the whole of the last 2 seasons where i claim that just before Irvine was sacked (12 or whatever games it was) we've been poor collectively and then had far too many fall outs.
Unforunately some players play for managers these days, not the club or the fans as thats who they see day in, day out.
I may add, Lonergan has always played for the club, the manager is irrelevant to him! Never got involved in the politics, hes just got on with it, never any trouble and liked around the club but i can see another Mckenna moment happening here!
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i have never praised the goalie as "the best etc" or "worth 20 etc" yet you feel the need to add this after my comments. To ignore the woefull schoolboy defending is failing to see the cause of the goals concededed on saturday, your personal agenda against the keeper is clouding your and others here's ability to be objective.
maybe we should sign your sister ? can she deal with a long ball ? ;-)
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Probably better than Lonergan, yes, and she's 55.
I can see the shit defence, but far too often they are blamed for Lonergans failings.
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Yes I have and yes I can.
In no way have i ever said i dont mind conceding goals and yes conceding soft goals puts pressure on the team.
I am a defender mate and I know this as much as anyone but dont worry about my credentials to have an opinion 🙄 I also know when to hold my hand up because Ive let my keeper down, I also know when to be disapointed in my keeper because hes made a mistake and I also know when to give our forwards some stick because when your team cant hit a cows arse with a banjo it heaps even more pressure on the defence.
You've attempted to put words into my mouth with regards conceding soft goals and the importance of it, as Ive never said you can get away with this, what I have said is that the mistakes are coming from everyone, not just Lonergan, we are losing games because of performances all over the pitch and the people who stay blind to this are naive. On saturday Lonergan was less at fault for that defeat than:
St ledger (vital error)
Brown (vital error)
Barton (if you dont do anything, you wont do anything wrong)
Ellington and Russell (their misses were the equivalent of lonergan letting a soft pass back under his foot).
what you cant seem to understand is that its a team game.
I scrolled through from page 1 as far as this mail - and then abandoned this thread in disgust.
Lonergan may as well be a mute, as far as communication skills go.
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I agree.
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Stick to the dogs-hopefully you know more about them than you do football ;-)
you really are a dick aren't you
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I've heard hilarious news about Lonergan, apparently his agent has been touting him about all over the place, with no success. The best response was from the Lashers though, who apparently laughed at his agent and told him that that "He's nowhere near good enough for the Championship, let alone the Prem!"
They're correct as well.
They're correct as well.
shaky
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I'll say it again, it's no coincidence that the Teffers worshippers are as thick as fuck.
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Dare we ask a source?
shaky
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Absolutely not, so feel free to try and crack on I made it up, although I can assure you I didn't.
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I couldn't give a fuck, I was howling with laughter when I heard. There's nothing I can do about people who don't want to believe it.
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The above is totally at odds with what I've heard.
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Must admit I had a little chuckle.
Shows how much things have changed when we are using claims about our closest rivals negative opinions on our players as an argument, especially when its a player they once took on loan of us when we were above them. Thanks alot Paul, Alan and Darren.
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Whereas you detractors..........;-)
BTW, dogman, I am not a 'worshipper', I recognise that Lonergan has his faults (as do most players at this level and below) but neither do I have a pathological hatred of the player-as I've said before, you have issues ;-)