Agreed we should support our club in the bad times however Had the manager not spouted bull about his attacking brand of football and admitted at the start of the season that most games he would not even attempt to win but play for a draw and that he would be sticking to his crap system then I would not have bought my ST and would then not need to leave early. Saturday was a perfect example where RL himself had given up…after we went 2 down he sat on the bench for the whole second half…did not get up on the touch line to encourage his players..the Watford manager was still dishing out instructions at 5 up from the touchline…so if the manager shows he’s conceded the defeat and looks like he’s given up how can u expect the fans to stick around.
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Some people enjoy watching their wife getting dicked too.
Leaning early does not mean you aren’t sticking by the club, it likely means you have lost faith in a badly managed and coached set up. Look at our defence and attack it’s apparently second bottom of the charts, we are utterly unpredictable, we’re not getting the best out of any player, the whole thing is verging on a disaster. I don’t believe in Lowe, but I do care about that being rectified long term like most PNE fans.
I left on 92 mins v Watford mainly to not be part of a pile on on Lowe, as I have some remaining emotional empathy for him, despite not believing he is the man.
The leaving immediately after a conceded goal is slightly more reactive but it’s up to the individual. And you are entitled to your view too.
I left on 92 mins v Watford mainly to not be part of a pile on on Lowe, as I have some remaining emotional empathy for him, despite not believing he is the man.
The leaving immediately after a conceded goal is slightly more reactive but it’s up to the individual. And you are entitled to your view too.
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At my first game the donkey shaggers relegated us to the third tier for the first time in our history whilst getting themselves promoted to the top flight, I think I’ve seen enough bad times at Deepdale and away (that freezing December day when we got dicked at Gillingham sticks in my mind, so does Scarborough) to know when performances need to improve dramatically or the manager must go.
Been watching North End since 1973, think during that time I've watched them through thick and thin.
If you've paid for your match day ticket and you ain't happy with the performance, then it's your prerogative If you want to leave early, does not make you any worse than any other fan who's turned up to the game or mean you don't support your club.
I think many thought on Saturday and have previously not just this season but in seasons past that by leaving early, shows the manager and team their displeasure in the team performance?
If all those who left prior to the final whistle on Saturday, did not turn up for the remainder of the season our club would be in a far worse position don't you think ?
I would imagine though most of them will be back, because they support North End, through thick and thin.? 🤔
If you've paid for your match day ticket and you ain't happy with the performance, then it's your prerogative If you want to leave early, does not make you any worse than any other fan who's turned up to the game or mean you don't support your club.
I think many thought on Saturday and have previously not just this season but in seasons past that by leaving early, shows the manager and team their displeasure in the team performance?
If all those who left prior to the final whistle on Saturday, did not turn up for the remainder of the season our club would be in a far worse position don't you think ?
I would imagine though most of them will be back, because they support North End, through thick and thin.? 🤔
As mentioned yesterday. We did it to Leeds 6-4. It was hilarious wasn’t it. Thats football. I would never give up on my team stop going on or anything. Unthinkable.
The re-election season and resurrection season after were undoubtedly the best times ever.
Agree. The footy is a bit shit at the moment.
The re-election season and resurrection season after were undoubtedly the best times ever.
Agree. The footy is a bit shit at the moment.
I kind of get where the OP is coming from, even though I do feel that it's more complicated than he is suggesting. I think if you've bought your ticket, you're having a rubbish afternoon, and decide to leave early, I understand why you might do that. At 4-1 down on Saturday, many left - and without wanting to be inflammatory, it's probably for the best that a lot did. Round where I sit, many of the ones who are reactive, and shout abuse had left before the whistle, so what was left in the ground were a mix of what some would describe as happy clappers, what some would describe as 'super fans' and others who (like myself) are just in the habit of staying to the end come what may. I left one game early in my life. It wasn't even a PNE game. I have a mate who's an Aberdeen fan and we were in Glasgow for the weekend. The Dons were playing at Motherwell and we had a train to catch, so after 7 minutes of injury time, and the score 2-2, we knew we had to leave, run to the train station to get the train back to Glasgow. This was before we had mobile phones, so we couldn't contact our Mrs' to let them know we'd be an hour late. As we headed out of Fir Park, there were a series of noises that told us: 1) Aberdeen had a penalty 2) Aberdeen missed penalty and 3) Aberdeen scored on the rebound. It was Dean Windass who scored! Since then, I've never left early again. Part of this is about loyalty - about applauding any players who deserve it, but also about nosiness... wondering what was going to happen with RL at Full-Time - I like to see the full picture, including interactions between players, body language etc etc.
I do (as we've explored on other threads) despair when the team start getting barracked early on in a game. Crowd were excellent on Saturday - singing until it went to 3-1, and really positive.
I do (as we've explored on other threads) despair when the team start getting barracked early on in a game. Crowd were excellent on Saturday - singing until it went to 3-1, and really positive.
45 + years supporting PNE & the number of times I have left games early can be counted on one hand. Saturday being one of them. If I get to the point in a game where it is too painful to watch & I dont want to be around to witness the scenes at the final whistle, then that is my prerogative. I have no responsibility to sit it out right to the painful end. I strongly suspect that this is a pretty piss poor attempt at a fishing trip. The sad fact is that there have been many games recently where I felt I could walk out early & wonder why I bothered. The predictable dull, lack of attacking intent football coupled with the inevitable disappointing result I usually forecast within the first 15 minutes has panned out correctly far too often this season... & last. Of course there is the odd exception. I've rarely felt like this under a succession of Managers from Nobby Stiles onwards & only under the likes of The Doc, Brian Kidd, Graham Westley has this feeling prevailed. You can call me a shit fan & one who is admonishing his "responsibilities" all you like. But this is where I am and it is what it is
The issue people have is assuming that not supporting the club when times are tough means we're happy for them to lose.
In my opinion the people that happily clap along to any old shit thrown their way do more damage to the club than the people who want change and actually voice it.
In my opinion the people that happily clap along to any old shit thrown their way do more damage to the club than the people who want change and actually voice it.
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I left as the 5th goal went in because I wanted a beer to drown my sorrows. Doesn’t put my support for the club in question I’d simply seen enough and me sitting having a pint at the final whistle was better than the comments I wanted to aim at Lowe. I was not going to clap the players off after that shit
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Some have young children and once it gets to 4-1 and they’re moaning that they’re freezing it’s easy to Jack in the last 15 minutes. Plenty other reasons too - we are not the obliged to watch another team humiliate us for another 10/15 minutes. I did leave on around 75 mins which is earliest I think I’ve ever left but it’s not stopping me going Swansea away Friday night while your probs in your favourite armchair 😀
Precisely why kids these days are soft.
Sit there, shut up and enjoy the super whites getting pummelled young Tarquin.
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Seems like a return to the 'shit fan' name calling days. I'll go first: I was offered two free tickets for Watford from different ST holders. I couldn't be arsed. I could get it on my dodgy box but missed the first five mins just because I was comfy upstairs and couldn't be fucked moving.
That's where I'm at as a fan.
That's where I'm at as a fan.
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Lots of people left the Town End after the fourth goal. I left after the fifth. Does that make me a slightly 'better' fan? No it doesn't. I left early because it genuinely upset me to see us getting demolished at home (again), with the manager just sat on his arse in the dugout. But I'll be back on Boxing Day and of course I'm allowed to moan/leave early if we get thrashed again or be made up if we win, no matter what RL or any 'super' fans say.
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Firstly congratulations on sticking it out. We will put your name up on the big screen on Boxing Day shall we, or would you prefer to publicly tar and feather the early leavers.
FWIW I stuck it out too and also the QPR game, but only to tell Ryan politely what I thought of yet another shambles. So what does that make the several thousand who did the same? It wasn’t support we were showing it was annoyance. I also leave before he does his ridiculous run, fist pump chest beating thing as frankly it’s embarrassing. So does that give me a right to leave early or does it put me in a special category of unsupportive fan.
Some of us have been around the block enough to see through the current regimes bull. He’s pulling every diversionary tactic including playing fan against fan with his away fans are great comments and the you must get behind the lads diatribe. He promised in this weeks programme notes if we the fans stayed supportive, he and the players would go the extra mile to find a solution. If we are talking about responsibilities, I’d say he failed on his this Saturday and the early leavers had a right to walk.
From watching midweek games at 2pm because we couldn’t afford to fix the floodlights, seeing park players cycling in from a shift at aerospace to plug gaps and the re-election that followed that shambles, the John Beck era, the sandy plastic pitch and losing to Whitley Bay in the FA Cup, there have been some fairly crappy times to endure in my 49 years as a preston fan. The current shambles, and it is a shambles, is for some just another step they don’t want to stick out to the bitter end and I don’t blame them. For the first time ever I am happy a visit to the mother in laws down south coincides with the Leeds game.
Turn on your fellow supporters all you like, those who have seen it, done it and bought the T-shirt and walked out early will likely still be there on the Town End in 15-20 years time. I can count by the bus load the number of self proclaimed ‘die hard thick and thin fans’ who claim to be hardcore but disappear within 5 years once something better comes along.