Training ground update
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What is this?
The newts have gone, or at least are on the move (bottom of picture), by the looks of it.
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Bloody good drainage up there at Ingol by the looks of it 🤣
Is that not Southport beach?
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American base, If I told you where I'd have to kill you.
It’s actually Area 57 on Mars.
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Only change in last couple of months is a Sales Office (portacabin) being dumped alongside Wychnor where the first bunch of houses are due to be built. Suspect this might just be to satisfy planning department that work has started.
It's an aerial view of Brig's pitch (to the left of the Rent-A-Bogs) taken last Saturday.
The claim has been made by North End that the training complex would come before any housing.
When I looked at this in the past, I took it to mean that the development of the training complex would get underway at the earliest date and that the funds would come from one of the Hemmings companies, not the football club or the holding club. I was concerned when it didn't get underway.
On reflection, maybe that was a huge assumption on my part. Can't speak for others.
(Also, the cost seems to be £10m now, not £14m).
Perhaps the delay with this project getting started was the football club creating for itself an adequate revenue stream, one which would cover most of the £10m cost of the development.
It can be said that the club does now have that revenue stream, further to the sales of 3 players. The amount of money coming in is expected to be about £20m over several years. It will be staggered income, with the buying clubs making stage payments on the players they bought. (Further, given the possible sell-on fee for Robinson, the amount coming in could actually be more than £20m.) Obviously some of that incoming money has already been spent on Bayliss and we are led to believe that at least another £1.5m was available for players.
Perhaps another one of my assumptions was incorrect as well: that the Chief Executive was not the right person to ask questions about this issue at the forum. So I take that back.
When you also factor in the responses provided by Mr Kay last September, it does rather look as though this development project had already been formally placed in his hands. However, at that time, maybe he just didn't have much in the way of the necessary funds.
If I had read between the lines, perhaps it would have struck me that the football club would be funding this development directly and that most of the money was already in the club (in player value). That's not to say that further loans from a Hemmings company are ruled out. Clearly, annual loans from Hemmings are the norm - they just vary in size from one year to the next.
Recently there have been several hints that work 'of some kind' had started at Ingol. I've linked to them below but can't vouch for the accuracy as I don't live near Ingol.
13 May 2019 - machinery arrived
27 Jul 2019 - project given go-ahead
8 Aug 2019 - trees are being removed
9 Aug 2019 - levelling also mentioned on twitter
Just to throw in a date: Robinson was sold on about 11 Jul 2019, so the second link might be right.
Going back to the first sentence of this post, I can't actually say that that statement has been proven to be untrue.
Regarding post #57 on page 3 of the Ingol thread, maybe chorleythehord was right on the money with this comment :
"... I see it as so important I would sell a player to fund it."
Apologies chorley... belatedly.
What I'm discussig here are just possibilities but, if correct, that may just leave the club's communication issue to be explained. However, would the club be comfortable talking about future player sales ?
When I looked at this in the past, I took it to mean that the development of the training complex would get underway at the earliest date and that the funds would come from one of the Hemmings companies, not the football club or the holding club. I was concerned when it didn't get underway.
On reflection, maybe that was a huge assumption on my part. Can't speak for others.
(Also, the cost seems to be £10m now, not £14m).
Perhaps the delay with this project getting started was the football club creating for itself an adequate revenue stream, one which would cover most of the £10m cost of the development.
It can be said that the club does now have that revenue stream, further to the sales of 3 players. The amount of money coming in is expected to be about £20m over several years. It will be staggered income, with the buying clubs making stage payments on the players they bought. (Further, given the possible sell-on fee for Robinson, the amount coming in could actually be more than £20m.) Obviously some of that incoming money has already been spent on Bayliss and we are led to believe that at least another £1.5m was available for players.
Perhaps another one of my assumptions was incorrect as well: that the Chief Executive was not the right person to ask questions about this issue at the forum. So I take that back.
When you also factor in the responses provided by Mr Kay last September, it does rather look as though this development project had already been formally placed in his hands. However, at that time, maybe he just didn't have much in the way of the necessary funds.
If I had read between the lines, perhaps it would have struck me that the football club would be funding this development directly and that most of the money was already in the club (in player value). That's not to say that further loans from a Hemmings company are ruled out. Clearly, annual loans from Hemmings are the norm - they just vary in size from one year to the next.
Recently there have been several hints that work 'of some kind' had started at Ingol. I've linked to them below but can't vouch for the accuracy as I don't live near Ingol.
13 May 2019 - machinery arrived
27 Jul 2019 - project given go-ahead
8 Aug 2019 - trees are being removed
9 Aug 2019 - levelling also mentioned on twitter
Just to throw in a date: Robinson was sold on about 11 Jul 2019, so the second link might be right.
Going back to the first sentence of this post, I can't actually say that that statement has been proven to be untrue.
Regarding post #57 on page 3 of the Ingol thread, maybe chorleythehord was right on the money with this comment :
"... I see it as so important I would sell a player to fund it."
Apologies chorley... belatedly.
What I'm discussig here are just possibilities but, if correct, that may just leave the club's communication issue to be explained. However, would the club be comfortable talking about future player sales ?
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northendmanc
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The work that has started is for the housing development isn't it and not the training ground?
We were told the training ground work wasn't dependant on selling the land for houses. This now doesn't seem to be the case. Now I realise that things change and if it is the case that the sale of the land for houses is now having to come first to fund the training ground then I don't really care as long as the training ground does happen, however it would be nice if we were told something either way.
boltons1
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There is certainly no work going on with the old Ingol Golf Club house site or surrounding area. It is all overgrown and the gates have been padlocked for a while now.
I wouldn't imagine it would take long to sort out but you would expect some work if those above timelines are correct.
I certainly won't be expecting a new training ground before 2021 anyway, unless something starts immediately after Christmas. They said it would take a season to complete but with all the delays that can happen in these types of projects, I'd imagine it could take an extra few months over that.
I wouldn't imagine it would take long to sort out but you would expect some work if those above timelines are correct.
I certainly won't be expecting a new training ground before 2021 anyway, unless something starts immediately after Christmas. They said it would take a season to complete but with all the delays that can happen in these types of projects, I'd imagine it could take an extra few months over that.
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Aye, if work had started on clearing ground for the training complex, the club would have made a big song and dance about it, given the growing discontent about the whole piss-take.
Thracia
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Your own first link [from 13 May] says: "Machinery has arrived today to create access from Wychnor for the first batch of house-building."
Your third link is also talking about Wychnor.
Looking at the plans, Wychnor is nowhere near the training ground site.
Likewise, Blog Preston reported on 18 April that "it’s new homes which are first to be built on the former Ingol Golf and Squash Club".
Specifically: "Land due to be built on is a parcel of land on the north of the golf club site, from Lightfoot Lane in the north down to Carnoustie Close in the south. It borders Wynchnor on the east and Walker Lane to the west."
On 14 May, they confirmed the work off Wychnor had started - for housing.
That ties in with the date of your own first link.
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So Callum Robinson’s sale has funded the building of Badger’s Snatch, a prestigious development of 5 bedroom homes.
Sorry if this has been discussed before .. but was just wondering.. is the plan to generate revenue from selling houses and use that to build the training ground? Or are they financially unrelated?