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Why has it gone wrong?

Why has it gone wrong?

Dirty Harry said:
I'd agree with nearly everything there, Andy.
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Yes a fair assessment... .agree with summary of most players.. I'm among the Harrop followers who think there's a good player who would thrive under a different tactics. Also see hope for Potts... recovery from injury mentally still needed. Again as with many players, struggling in a losing team with fear of over analytical manager.
We knew from the start AN is great especially while progress is clear.... we looked a good team and others wanted AN... but his record is generally poor when things start to go wrong, and once again everything seems to be heading in the wrong direction.
 
supa white army said:
Yes a fair assessment... .agree with summary of most players.. I'm among the Harrop followers who think there's a good player who would thrive under a different tactics. Also see hope for Potts... recovery from injury mentally still needed. Again as with many players, struggling in a losing team with fear of over analytical manager.
We knew from the start AN is great especially while progress is clear.... we looked a good team and others wanted AN... but his record is generally poor when things start to go wrong, and once again everything seems to be heading in the wrong direction.
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AN has got as much out of this squad as any other manager could/would. Mr Hemmings needs to back him properly in the transfer market, get him what is required ( and we all know what that is) in order to make a serious tilt at promotion.
If we continue as we are, the same thing's going to happen season after season which is flatter to deceive, have the usual crisis somewhere during the season that sees us win fuck all for about a third of it and end up somewhere upper mid table if we're lucky. Inevitably, there will come a time when performances drop off for longer and we find ourselves at the wrong end of the table fighting and perhaps losing the fight against relegation.
Everyone can see this, why can't the owner?
 
MrHodgeheg123 said:
AN has got as much out of this squad as any other manager could/would. Mr Hemmings needs to back him properly in the transfer market, get him what is required ( and we all know what that is) in order to make a serious tilt at promotion.
If we continue as we are, the same thing's going to happen season after season which is flatter to deceive, have the usual crisis somewhere during the season that sees us win fuck all for about a third of it and end up somewhere upper mid table if we're lucky. Inevitably, there will come a time when performances drop off for longer and we find ourselves at the wrong end of the table fighting and perhaps losing the fight against relegation.
Everyone can see this, why can't the owner?
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Too busy admiring horses and the latest brick.
 
Tino said:
I think it's clear Neil will never play this, but the frustration for me is we don't seem to be able to adapt to playing anything other than 4231 other than perhaps a slight tweak in the midfield 2 and it being more of a 4141.

We look lost when needing to mix it up, there's little fluidity on the pitch, no cross overs, no interplay, no partnerships, no dummys and runners from deep latching onto passes, no one consistently getting to the by line and delivering crosses, very little being fed from the full back position into whoever the striker is to build from there and just general boring slow build up play. Pearson is as guilty as anyone at this. Great player, needs to speed up moving the ball.

Watching the highlights from the weekend and Brentford had 7 players in the Wigan box at one time trying to score. We're lucky to have 2 in there meaning every delivery needs to be perfect. We saw examples of this on Saturday when Potts had a few attempts cut out.

I see we've (Neil) also gone back to talking about lack of creativity whilst continuing with Browne in an advanced role. He isn't good enough in that position to get on the ball and make things happen. As a runner and someone to break up play yes.
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Staffordwhite said:
Top post, much to agree with there.

Just one thing though, the Sinclair song is Supertramp . . . and it’s annoying as fuck. 😀
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Well said. Great assessments in your post.

There are some very knowledgeable posters in here. I only wish all you loyal fans achieve
a Premiership League status and maintain it.
Something your passion for the club deserves.
 
MrHodgeheg123 said:
AN has got as much out of this squad as any other manager could/would. Mr Hemmings needs to back him properly in the transfer market, get him what is required ( and we all know what that is) in order to make a serious tilt at promotion.
If we continue as we are, the same thing's going to happen season after season which is flatter to deceive, have the usual crisis somewhere during the season that sees us win fuck all for about a third of it and end up somewhere upper mid table if we're lucky. Inevitably, there will come a time when performances drop off for longer and we find ourselves at the wrong end of the table fighting and perhaps losing the fight against relegation.
Everyone can see this, why can't the owner?
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Back him or sack him!
 
tcinders said:
Back him or sack him!
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The latter would do nothing or help anyone.
We'd get another manager working under the same financial restrictions and the fans showing the same frustrations. All this WILL have a detrimental impact on attendances so who will be losing out in the long run? Mr H.
The only way AN is going to go is if he walks.
 
MrHodgeheg123 said:
The latter would do nothing or help anyone.
We'd get another manager working under the same financial restrictions and the fans showing the same frustrations. All this WILL have a detrimental impact on attendances so who will be losing out in the long run? Mr H.
The only way AN is going to go is if he walks.
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It's a choice, we can't carry on as we are can we?
It will probably go something like....Preston North End would like to thank Alex Neil...........we wish him every success in the future.
 
In our case sacking the manager would be just papering over the cracks. The root cause of our inability to reach the Premiership is lack of investment particularly in the striker department.
I think what has compounded our disappointment this season is that we were top at the beginning of November and had scored the most goals and had the best goal difference. This happened just after we rebuffed Stoke's approach. I recall some posters saying things felt different this season.
There was also hope, which turned out to be false and in retrospect wildly optimistic, that TH may loosen the purse strings.
Looking like an opportunity wasted.
 
MrHodgeheg123 said:
How can being paid in full during lockdown (when you're not playing) make you feel too comfortable and make you play shit when you do return to normal?
Some of the theories are becoming more and more bizarre by the day.
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True.

Hey, it was just a thought. I don’t if you’ve ever lost your job or been in fear of how to pay your bills, but it does bring out a different side of you, a determination.

I believe only Stoke and Preston paid players in full throughout. Stoke have won 1 in 4, we’ve won 0.
 
Sutty said:
True.

Hey, it was just a thought. I don’t if you’ve ever lost your job or been in fear of how to pay your bills, but it does bring out a different side of you, a determination.

I believe only Stoke and Preston paid players in full throughout. Stoke have won 1 in 4, we’ve won 0.
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I wasn't having a go really and believe me, your theory stands up better than some of the stuff posted on here. I just don't see how performances will dip post lockdown because the players were paid in full during lockdown.
 
tcinders said:
It's a choice, we can't carry on as we are can we?
It will probably go something like....Preston North End would like to thank Alex Neil...........we wish him every success in the future.
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No we can't. But there is one common denominator in all this.
And it isn't the manager.
Our best three players have been sold last three seasons. And reinvested about 10% of the money into replacement. In Robinson's case we didn't reinvest any of it until we brought in Sinclair.
There is one man I want out of the club and it isn't the manager.
AN has his faults and is at fault for some things but it isn't 50/50 as some people say.
We need a chairman who will actually back and support the manager for once.
Give AN the tools and we will be in the play offs at least. But he won't because he doesn't care about this proud football club. And this is why we will never ever get promoted to the prem. Until we change our ways.
And I'm not asking for 5/10 million pounds. All I'm asking is that when we sell our main players we invest a substantial amount. And then after that fingers can be pointed at the manager.
 
JohnPNE said:
No we can't. But there is one common denominator in all this.
And it isn't the manager.
Our best three players have been sold last three seasons. And reinvested about 10% of the money into replacement. In Robinson's case we didn't reinvest any of it until we brought in Sinclair.
There is one man I want out of the club and it isn't the manager.
AN has his faults and is at fault for some things but it isn't 50/50 as some people say.
We need a chairman who will actually back and support the manager for once.
Give AN the tools and we will be in the play offs at least. But he won't because he doesn't care about this proud football club. And this is why we will never ever get promoted to the prem. Until we change our ways.
And I'm not asking for 5/10 million pounds. All I'm asking is that when we sell our main players we invest a substantial amount. And then after that fingers can be pointed at the manager.
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I think we’re forgetting that some of the money went on improved contracts for players, and I suspect some on paying off “loans”, although I’m no financial expert.
 
JohnPNE said:
No we can't. But there is one common denominator in all this.
And it isn't the manager.
Our best three players have been sold last three seasons. And reinvested about 10% of the money into replacement. In Robinson's case we didn't reinvest any of it until we brought in Sinclair.
There is one man I want out of the club and it isn't the manager.
AN has his faults and is at fault for some things but it isn't 50/50 as some people say.
We need a chairman who will actually back and support the manager for once.
Give AN the tools and we will be in the play offs at least. But he won't because he doesn't care about this proud football club. And this is why we will never ever get promoted to the prem. Until we change our ways.
And I'm not asking for 5/10 million pounds. All I'm asking is that when we sell our main players we invest a substantial amount. And then after that fingers can be pointed at the manager.
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Hold on John your not asking for 5/ 10 million so lets say 3 million? Oh wait a minute Neil has had that with Bayliss (remember him?) Potts, Sinclair would be in the same region (only wages) so you cannot blame Hemmings entirely. He had an agreed budget and he spent it on midfield players and it hasn't worked for one reason or another. The buck stops with the manager as it does at every club. They need to back him substantially or the cycle repeats and Neil like all the previous will be gone.
 
tcinders said:
Hold on John your not asking for 5/ 10 million so lets say 3 million? Oh wait a minute Neil has had that with Bayliss (remember him?) Potts, Sinclair would be in the same region (only wages) so you cannot blame Hemmings entirely. He had an agreed budget and he spent it on midfield players and it hasn't worked for one reason or another. The buck stops with the manager as it does at every club. They need to back him substantially or the cycle repeats and Neil like all the previous will be gone.
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We haven't spent 3 million on a single player. We have still yet to break our transfer record of 1.5 million on Healy. We must be down there with the lowest transfer record surely. You said it yourself. They need to back him substantially or he will go. I'm telling you now - promotion will never happen unless we attempt to replace what we have lost with a bit of quality.
 
JohnPNE said:
We haven't spent 3 million on a single player. We have still yet to break our transfer record of 1.5 million on Healy. We must be down there with the lowest transfer record surely. You said it yourself. They need to back him substantially or he will go. I'm telling you now - promotion will never happen unless we attempt to replace what we have lost with a bit of quality.
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John, its not just the transfer fee, you have to look at the whole package including the length of contract etc.. Bayliss will be in excess of 3 million as will Potts and Sinclair.
 
[QUOTE="AndySaville, post: 3704193, member: 3324"
His decision making is appalling. I dread to think what we've paid to bring him to the club so that lads can set off smoke bombs on concourses at half time whilst singing along to Foreigner.
[/QUOTE]
I've been waiting, for a goal like you.
I wanna know what a goal is, I want you to show me.
 
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