Ambition

[Tuesday Nights]

Trev Ridders if your reading?

If
You don’t have a vision to sell to the likes of the two Bens making them want to stay and

You think the way forward is to give control of playing strategy to a 54 year old nice guy with zero experience of being a manager / head coach on the back of a few decent results coming from debatable performances and

You shop for players on the football equivalent of Asda’s ‘whoops’ aisle

You can be pretty sure they aren’t reading

 

[MBcha]

Boring but true.Hand in pocket time my friend I think

How is it true? There's no way it'd be public knowledge, for all we know there might have been enquiries to buy the club, there might be potential buyers out there now, fact is all those who come out with that dull statement have no idea.

 

[pnenycx]

Too right I will blast the club for that. We needed a striker and refused to sanction about the same amount for Moore the season before yet we bought a central midfielder - a position we had a lot of quality for anyway.

Two separate issues. Both signings could have been made - fair criticism about not signing Moore but when you agree a deal and then the other side wants more it's a tricky situation. In hindsight the extra few hundred grand, if that's what it was, should have been paid. The signing of Bayliss could have been a masterstroke but for whatever reason it hasn't worked out - if he turned out to be a 10m player none of us would be complaining.

 

[Thracia]

Some interesting points there. Surprised their wage bill isn't at least double ours. They must have some highly paid players so must be offset with low paid players who are also regular starters.

They have been very successful with transfers but it needs a combination of a good coach and sound financial planning (we see plenty of clubs like Derby and Stoke who likely outspend Brentford but aren't so savvy with their selection of the coach and financial planning).

The latest accounts (2019/20) have:

PNE wage bill - £20.47m (80 players/coaches, 33 admin/sales staff)
Brentford wage bill - £25.86m (101 players/coaches, 70 admin/sales staff)

PNE 2020 wage bill was up £700k compared to 2019 (4%), but the number of players/coaches was down by 2, other staff unchanged.

Brentford 2020 wage bill was up £7m on 2019 (37%), but the number of players/coaches was also up by 16 (18%), other staff up by 18 (35%).

In fact, in 2018/19, our wage bill had been higher than theirs, even though they employed 3 more players/coaches and 19 more other staff than us back then. We do seem to like overpaying for what we get.

And of course Brentford were in the process of making back-to-back £25m+ profits on their player sales for 2018 thru 2020, while we made £7m total in the same 2-year period (on Callum Robinson).

Brentford haven't blown us away on wages or turnover - they have blown us away on player recruitment and trading, where we have proved to be absolutely light years behind.

 

[Naughton's moustache]

The latest accounts (2019/20) have:

PNE wage bill - £20.47m (80 players/coaches, 33 admin/sales staff)
Brentford wage bill - £25.86m (101 players/coaches, 70 admin/sales staff)

PNE 2020 wage bill was up £700k compared to 2019 (4%), but the number of players/coaches was down by 2, other staff unchanged.

Brentford 2020 wage bill was up £7m on 2019 (37%), but the number of players/coaches was also up by 16 (18%), other staff up by 18 (35%).

In fact, in 2018/19, our wage bill had been higher than theirs, even though they employed 3 more players/coaches and 19 more other staff than us back then. We do seem to like overpaying for what we get.

And of course Brentford were in the process of making back-to-back £25m+ profits on their player sales for 2018 thru 2020, while we made £7m total in the same 2-year period (on Callum Robinson).

Brentford haven't blown us away on wages or turnover - they have blown us away on player recruitment and trading, where we have proved to be absolutely light years behind.

They haven't blown us away on attendances either, there average gates before the kung flu kicked in were around the 9 an a half k mark.
Amazing what you can achieve with a positive strategy isn't it?!

 

[simon81]

When was the last comment made from the owner or PR in relation to the clubs ambition? I don’t recall much talk of reaching the premier league for some time now.
Whilst we spend within our means and are sensible in the transfer market we are not trying to achieve anything more than championship stability.
If Hemmings was to come forward and admit to that it would make it easier to get your head around. Our current playing staff are simply average with some well below and I hope that they are cleared out soon, im talking the likes of Stockley, Rafferty and Maguire, good league one standard players who dont cut it at this level. Expectations need lowering now, our ageing owner simply doesnt feel like he wants to go for a shot at the big time. 1 season in the premier league would feed the fans for years because we simply did what all our rivals have done. I feel this transfer window whilst very active we will go for quantity over quality and be stuck with the usual inferior players stuck into 2-3 year contracts. Prove us all wrong Trev!

 

[Thracia]

When was the last comment made from the owner or PR in relation to the clubs ambition? I don’t recall much talk of reaching the premier league for some time now.

Just 2 weeks ago: "We will try and use the platform of having consolidated our place in the Championship to kick on and compete for a place in the top six sooner rather than later".

It's so carefully worded in advanced politicianese, it isn't even a commitment to finish in the top 6 (let alone win the play-offs!).

It's just a commitment to try to compete for the top 6 some time in the future.

 

[Naughton's moustache]

Just 2 weeks ago: "We will try and use the platform of having consolidated our place in the Championship to kick on and compete for a place in the top six sooner rather than later".

It's so carefully worded in advanced politicianese, it isn't even a commitment to finish in the top 6 (let alone win the play-offs!).

It's just a commitment to try to compete for the top 6 some time in the future.

Well it will be our 7th season in the 2nd tier since the play off final win so easy does it eh Peter?!!
How soon is now?!!

 

[Durutti]

The latest accounts (2019/20) have:

PNE wage bill - £20.47m (80 players/coaches, 33 admin/sales staff)
Brentford wage bill - £25.86m (101 players/coaches, 70 admin/sales staff)

PNE 2020 wage bill was up £700k compared to 2019 (4%), but the number of players/coaches was down by 2, other staff unchanged.

Brentford 2020 wage bill was up £7m on 2019 (37%), but the number of players/coaches was also up by 16 (18%), other staff up by 18 (35%).

In fact, in 2018/19, our wage bill had been higher than theirs, even though they employed 3 more players/coaches and 19 more other staff than us back then. We do seem to like overpaying for what we get.

And of course Brentford were in the process of making back-to-back £25m+ profits on their player sales for 2018 thru 2020, while we made £7m total in the same 2-year period (on Callum Robinson).

Brentford haven't blown us away on wages or turnover - they have blown us away on player recruitment and trading, where we have proved to be absolutely light years behind.

100% true.

 

[Schemer]

Just 2 weeks ago: "We will try and use the platform of having consolidated our place in the Championship to kick on and compete for a place in the top six sooner rather than later".

It's so carefully worded in advanced politicianese, it isn't even a commitment to finish in the top 6 (let alone win the play-offs!).

It's just a commitment to try to compete for the top 6 some time in the future.

And this: "....we certainly dream of adding to the 49 clubs who have already played in the Premier League".

Hardly a statement of intent.

 

[Thracia]

And this: "....we certainly dream of adding to the 49 clubs who have already played in the Premier League".

Hardly a statement of intent.

It costs nothing to dream, I guess.

 

[Aqueous]

I think the really frustrating thing is that Brentford have shown with clever recruitment, making profits on players and ACTUALLY replacing them with some of that money, promotion can be achieved. The fact their wages aren't much more than we pay kind of shoes that all this 'his wages are out of ourreach' comments are total nonsense. It's purely all down to the recruitment side why we move nowhere.
Whilst Brentford sign players who will develop and be sold at a profit, we are busy handing 2 year deals to David Nugent and chasing 'experienced' but bang average at best Championship players.
Not to mention actually playing these younger lads so they do develop.

 

[simon81]

I think the really frustrating thing is that Brentford have shown with clever recruitment, making profits on players and ACTUALLY replacing them with some of that money, promotion can be achieved. The fact their wages aren't much more than we pay kind of shoes that all this 'his wages are out of ourreach' comments are total nonsense. It's purely all down to the recruitment side why we move nowhere.
Whilst Brentford sign players who will develop and be sold at a profit, we are busy handing 2 year deals to David Nugent and chasing 'experienced' but bang average at best Championship players.
Not to mention actually playing these younger lads so they do develop.

I agree. As a fan I feel cheated and completely let down. We (the fans) are literally throwing money at a lost cause. Hemmings is throwing millions at something that will only help the club survive. His legacy wont be great, it will not be looked back at with any great fondness. So many times in business he gets it right and turned himself into an unbelievably wealthy man, how about you show about of that with your football club? What a waste of space we are, from the ground up we need an upheaval and better ideas.

 

[Sutty]

Honestly people need to give over with the Brentford approach. We will never follow it. I think location is also a helpful factor for them.

For me, after 28 years. I’m not renewing. I’ll always be PNE at heart. I’ve just gotten out of the habit. My kids for various reasons haven’t taken to match days and one by one all my friends/family have given over supporting. Our lack of ambition is also not inspiring. My working week is harder and longer now and I don’t want to waste it, so to speak. I’ll continue to follow from afar, hoping for the best. I think a lot of clubs may be in for a shock on season ticket renewals this year.

 

[Newtothis]

Since you joined have you ever posted a positive message? Feels like whenever I’ve seen your username it’s been a over the top negative message

Its called an opinion, what are you some sort of control freak, don't read them, I'll put what I feel or want, you need a life

 

[Realistic]

I agree. As a fan I feel cheated and completely let down. We (the fans) are literally throwing money at a lost cause. Hemmings is throwing millions at something that will only help the club survive. His legacy wont be great, it will not be looked back at with any great fondness. So many times in business he gets it right and turned himself into an unbelievably wealthy man, how about you show about of that with your football club? What a waste of space we are, from the ground up we need an upheaval and better ideas.

We do need some new vision for the future, agreed. Like a John Beck character without the style of football. Or does that kind of thing not happen anymore in today's game.

 

[Naughton's moustache]

Honestly people need to give over with the Brentford approach. We will never follow it. I think location is also a helpful factor for them.

For me, after 28 years. I’m not renewing. I’ll always be PNE at heart. I’ve just gotten out of the habit. My kids for various reasons haven’t taken to match days and one by one all my friends/family have given over supporting. Our lack of ambition is also not inspiring. My working week is harder and longer now and I don’t want to waste it, so to speak. I’ll continue to follow from afar, hoping for the best. I think a lot of clubs may be in for a shock on season ticket renewals this year.

There is nothing overly appealing about London, unless you like gettin stuck in traffic everyday

 

[Dirty Harry]

They haven't blown us away on attendances either, there average gates before the kung flu kicked in were around the 9 an a half k mark.
Amazing what you can achieve with a positive strategy isn't it?!

Bear in mind their ground capacity was only 12000 so they didn't ever have the opportunity of a few 17000 gates to boost their season overall average like we did.

 

[Naughton's moustache]

Bear in mind their ground capacity was only 12000 so they didn't ever have the opportunity of a few 17000 gates to boost their season overall average like we did.

True but didn't even mange to average 10 thousand

 

[Baldygit]

I agree. As a fan I feel cheated and completely let down. We (the fans) are literally throwing money at a lost cause. Hemmings is throwing millions at something that will only help the club survive. His legacy wont be great, it will not be looked back at with any great fondness. So many times in business he gets it right and turned himself into an unbelievably wealthy man, how about you show about of that with your football club? What a waste of space we are, from the ground up we need an upheaval and better ideas.

He's only as good as the advice he gets. Unfortunately it's appearing that this is limited to coming from one man only.