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Club Takeover/Investment

Club Takeover/Investment

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Exactly...
I think continuing the show to cover the eventual "fall" could be more interesting than the "rise".

What Disney wouldn't want would be "success continued" along our lines, with 10 years of Championship stasis/"overachievement". No one wants to watch that.
 
Now that the transfer window is closed, I feel the rumour about the Kone/Gudjonsson transfer funds disappearing due to a possible takeover got lost in the transfer deals.
Has anyone actually heard anything or is it just gut feeling that something is in the air due to how the window played out?
 
Now that the transfer window is closed, I feel the rumour about the Kone/Gudjonsson transfer funds disappearing due to a possible takeover got lost in the transfer deals.
Has anyone actually heard anything or is it just gut feeling that something is in the air due to how the window played out?
The owners behaviour during the window does seem bizarre. People mention sales money, Liverpool money but also not too many mentioned TV money. We usually spend about 4m each summer. Granted thats not a great deal but this year weve spent zero. Some might say the players weve added is great business and owners are getting their debt down by not spending. After all, the window would've been a good window had we added a striker.
 
Now that the transfer window is closed, I feel the rumour about the Kone/Gudjonsson transfer funds disappearing due to a possible takeover got lost in the transfer deals.
Has anyone actually heard anything or is it just gut feeling that something is in the air due to how the window played out?
I think the transfer window is most easily explained by the owners surprising even Craig and Peter by cutting the transfer budget from 1st July to zero, and all the "bids" thereafter for players like Lang, Kone, Gudjohnsen etc. were total fiction to keep the media and fans appeased.
 
I think the transfer window is most easily explained by the owners surprising even Craig and Peter by cutting the transfer budget from 1st July to zero, and all the "bids" thereafter for players like Lang, Kone, Gudjohnsen etc. were total fiction to keep the media and fans appeased.
Bids that would never be accepted or even if they were, easily got out of with payment terms or wages that wouldn't be acceptable.🙄
 
Bids that would never be accepted or even if they were, easily got out of with payment terms or wages that wouldn't be acceptable.🙄
When you've got bellends like PNEChatShit and a host of copycat social media accounts and fanboys willing to repeat every bullshit story you feed them, you don't even need to make the bids.
 
The owners behaviour during the window does seem bizarre. People mention sales money, Liverpool money but also not too many mentioned TV money. We usually spend about 4m each summer. Granted thats not a great deal but this year weve spent zero. Some might say the players weve added is great business and owners are getting their debt down by not spending. After all, the window would've been a good window had we added a striker.
Their debt is actually rising by £10m-£12m again this season, same as previous seasons.

If there was an aim to minimise spend, obviously they wouldn't have gone ahead with so many high-wage ex-Premier League signings & loans.

What we do know is the recruitment team's aim is to buy smart - i.e. not to be drawn into paying inflated fees.

There is some money left in our PSR allowance this season (£2m-£4m probably), which will likely be spent on a striker fee in Jan, or on the permanent signing of Alfie Devine when the time comes (we would lose him if we didn't keen the money in our PSR allowance to buy him).

Either way, we'll end up maxing out our PSR allowance again this season one way or the other, as we have in the last 3 seasons.
 
Their debt is actually rising by £10m-£12m again this season, same as previous seasons.

If there was an aim to minimise spend, obviously they wouldn't have gone ahead with so many high-wage ex-Premier League signings & loans.

What we do know is the recruitment team's aim is to buy smart - i.e. not to be drawn into paying inflated fees.

There is some money left in our PSR allowance this season (£2m-£4m probably), which will likely be spent on a striker fee in Jan, or on the permanent signing of Alfie Devine when the time comes (we would lose him if we didn't keen the money in our PSR allowance to buy him).

Either way, we'll end up maxing out our PSR allowance again this season one way or the other, as we have in the last 3 seasons.

PSR is completely irrelevant. The owners can spend as much money as they want to, they are not restricted by anything other than their own will to do it.
 
Their debt is actually rising by £10m-£12m again this season, same as previous seasons.

If there was an aim to minimise spend, obviously they wouldn't have gone ahead with so many high-wage ex-Premier League signings & loans.

What we do know is the recruitment team's aim is to buy smart - i.e. not to be drawn into paying inflated fees.

There is some money left in our PSR allowance this season (£2m-£4m probably), which will likely be spent on a striker fee in Jan, or on the permanent signing of Alfie Devine when the time comes (we would lose him if we didn't keen the money in our PSR allowance to buy him).

Either way, we'll end up maxing out our PSR allowance again this season one way or the other, as we have in the last 3 seasons.
What a load of bollocks.
 
PSR is completely irrelevant. The owners can spend as much money as they want to, they are not restricted by anything other than their own will to do it.

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Their debt is actually rising by £10m-£12m again this season, same as previous seasons.

If there was an aim to minimise spend, obviously they wouldn't have gone ahead with so many high-wage ex-Premier League signings & loans.

What we do know is the recruitment team's aim is to buy smart - i.e. not to be drawn into paying inflated fees.

There is some money left in our PSR allowance this season (£2m-£4m probably), which will likely be spent on a striker fee in Jan, or on the permanent signing of Alfie Devine when the time comes (we would lose him if we didn't keen the money in our PSR allowance to buy him).

Either way, we'll end up maxing out our PSR allowance again this season one way or the other, as we have in the last 3 seasons.
Just stop with this nonsense.
What happened to the £18/19m you said we were going to spend this season?
 
Their debt is actually rising by £10m-£12m again this season, same as previous seasons.

If there was an aim to minimise spend, obviously they wouldn't have gone ahead with so many high-wage ex-Premier League signings & loans.

What we do know is the recruitment team's aim is to buy smart - i.e. not to be drawn into paying inflated fees.

There is some money left in our PSR allowance this season (£2m-£4m probably), which will likely be spent on a striker fee in Jan, or on the permanent signing of Alfie Devine when the time comes (we would lose him if we didn't keen the money in our PSR allowance to buy him).

Either way, we'll end up maxing out our PSR allowance again this season one way or the other, as we have in the last 3 seasons.
You’re making PSR sound like some immovable barrier, but that just isn’t the case. Look at the spending of the majority of clubs in our division, particularly those with wealthy owners, there are plenty of legitimate ways around PSR through sponsorships, commercial income, internal transfer of assets, etc. It’s been proven time and again that where there’s intent to invest, clubs find the mechanisms to do so.

On top of that, infrastructure spending doesn’t count towards PSR, so that’s a complete red herring.

As for saying there’s “room left in our PSR allowance” well of course there is. We’ve hardly spent anything. Having room under the allowance doesn’t mean much if the owners simply choose not to use it. The amount they put in is a choice, nothing more.

And as everyone knows, I’m far from being Peter Ridsdale’s biggest fan, but even I have some sympathy here. How can he realistically be expected to do his job when there’s next to no budget beyond covering the wage bill? In fairness, I think the recruitment this summer has been decent in the circumstances but not adding a striker, especially with a possible ban hanging over Milly, just highlights once again certain members of the trust’s disdain for the club.

So yes, we’ll end up maxing out PSR eventually, but not because of any clever plan, simply because the budget is set up this way and the owners won’t sanction the investment required to push us forward.
 
You’re making PSR sound like some immovable barrier, but that just isn’t the case. Look at the spending of the majority of clubs in our division, particularly those with wealthy owners, there are plenty of legitimate ways around PSR through sponsorships, commercial income, internal transfer of assets, etc. It’s been proven time and again that where there’s intent to invest, clubs find the mechanisms to do so.

On top of that, infrastructure spending doesn’t count towards PSR, so that’s a complete red herring.

As for saying there’s “room left in our PSR allowance” well of course there is. We’ve hardly spent anything. Having room under the allowance doesn’t mean much if the owners simply choose not to use it. The amount they put in is a choice, nothing more.

And as everyone knows, I’m far from being Peter Ridsdale’s biggest fan, but even I have some sympathy here. How can he realistically be expected to do his job when there’s next to no budget beyond covering the wage bill? In fairness, I think the recruitment this summer has been decent in the circumstances but not adding a striker, especially with a possible ban hanging over Milly, just highlights once again certain members of the trust’s disdain for the club.

So yes, we’ll end up maxing out PSR eventually, but not because of any clever plan, simply because the budget is set up this way and the owners won’t sanction the investment required to push us forward.
Agreed. They're happy to donate £10m-£15m of their cash to us each year and that's it.

In fairness they've gifted us £100m+ so far with no prospect of ever getting it back.

It's not such a bad thing that we have someone willing to do that (Blackpool, Bury, Wigan, Bolton etc, and many others don't).

I'll bet we spend enough in Jan to max out our PSR allowance on player-spend again, or even just use the cash to buy Alfie Divine.

And generally the signings seem better than in the past, following the recruitment team shake-up too.
 
Agreed. They're happy to donate £10m-£15m of their cash to us each year and that's it.

In fairness they've gifted us £100m+ so far with no prospect of ever getting it back.

It's not such a bad thing that we have someone willing to do that (Blackpool, Bury, Wigan, Bolton etc, and many others don't).

I'll bet we spend enough in Jan to max out our PSR allowance on player-spend again, or even just use the cash to buy Alfie Divine.

And generally the signings seem better than in the past, following the recruitment team shake-up too.
Including Bury in that list is comical, never been a similar sized club to us in a lifetime.

Blackpool, Wigan and Bolton all had local 'donors' who took them to the Premier League and beyond. Throw Rovers and Burnley in too for that matter.

Their 'donors' made their wildest dreams come true, our 'donors' keep us on a life support machine.
 
Nothing says "successful transfer window" like the gormless IoM shills popping up with their outright lies about "gifts" and "donations" when the promised "big presents" failed to arrive yet again.

Ridsdale let the cat out of the bag over FFP "headroom" with his Radio Lancs interview in May:

PR: "For the first time for a number of years we've got significant headroom - we were up against it because of the Covid years on a rolling 3-year average until last year - so if somebody were to invest today, for the first time they can both invest to keep us at a standstill level but also to take us forward because we have got headroom."​

"Invest to keep us at a standstill level" - that's exactly what the Isle of Man do every year.

Whereas somebody else coming in with an investment - new money - could not only do that, Peter says, but also "take us forward because we have got headroom".

Headroom is just an empty wallet - you can't buy anything with headroom, you still need the money to fill it. The PNE owners aren't filling it, they're deliberately leaving it empty - "investing to keep us at a standstill level" - we just watched them for 4 months of a transfer window leave us with all the "headroom" - all the empty wallet space - we'll ever need.

So - again, as Ridsdale himself said in July - FFP "headroom" isn't the problem, a lack of cash is. He doesn't have £1.5m for a new pitch not because of headroom, but because "of not having an extra one-and-a-half million pounds to spend. If I had, I'd spend it on a player, not a Desso pitch."

Transfer window's since closed and you'll notice we didn't spend £1.5m on a player either - not because of headroom, but because we never had £1.5m to spend on anything.
 
Agreed. They're happy to donate £10m-£15m of their cash to us each year and that's it.

In fairness they've gifted us £100m+ so far with no prospect of ever getting it back.

It's not such a bad thing that we have someone willing to do that (Blackpool, Bury, Wigan, Bolton etc, and many others don't).

I'll bet we spend enough in Jan to max out our PSR allowance on player-spend again, or even just use the cash to buy Alfie Divine.

And generally the signings seem better than in the past, following the recruitment team shake-up too.
This “they’ve donated / gifted us money” line is nonsense. It’s not charity, it’s the basic cost of running a Championship club. If you choose to own a football club, you choose to fund it.

And the comparisons with Blackpool, Wigan and Bolton don’t hold water. Every single one of those clubs has been in the top flight more recently than us and in Bolton’s and Wigan's case, they’ve even played European football. And Bury? What exactly do they have to do with anything going on at North End?

Then look at Brentford and Brighton both with individual backers who chose to invest properly. They’ve built infrastructure, squads and commercial models that meet PSR rules because they wanted to progress. That doesn’t fit your sycophantic viewpoint though, because it shows what’s possible with ambition.

Recruitment this summer has been fine in the circumstances, but those circumstances are entirely self-imposed by the ownership. Not signing a striker, especially with Milly’s situation, underlines once again where the real issue lies.
 
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Agreed. They're happy to donate £10m-£15m of their cash to us each year and that's it.

In fairness they've gifted us £100m+ so far with no prospect of ever getting it back.

It's not such a bad thing that we have someone willing to do that (Blackpool, Bury, Wigan, Bolton etc, and many others don't).

I'll bet we spend enough in Jan to max out our PSR allowance on player-spend again, or even just use the cash to buy Alfie Divine.

And generally the signings seem better than in the past, following the recruitment team shake-up too.
Mods.

Can we please make this word a 2 Week Ban for anyone using it in this context as it is an outright lie.
 
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