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stf4ever said:
Keane fell out with Walters over his none training. Keane felt he committed himself more to roles outside of football than to his job. Keane basically said, you haven't got much to contribute to these shows when you haven't won a medal so I would concentrate more on the football side.

Would love a Keane type as manager. Can totally understand why people turn on him, but that's more to do with their lack of understanding and lack of willingness to give out (deserved) respect.
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Based on what success?

It's alright bollocking players 24/7 but if all it leads to is repeated failures, what's the point?

Managing a football club is a more nuanced business than simply putting your foot down and demanding devotion and respect.
 
Pumba said:
Based on what success?

It's alright bollocking players 24/7 but if all it leads to is repeated failures, what's the point?

Managing a football club is a more nuanced business than simply putting your foot down and demanding devotion and respect.
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If you ever listen to Undr The Cosh and hear Chris Brown talk about him around the time he got in a bit of bother with the infamous home movie, Keane was very good with him.
 
Libertine said:
If you ever listen to Undr The Cosh and hear Chris Brown talk about him around the time he got in a bit of bother with the infamous home movie, Keane was very good with him.
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Fantastic.

I’ll repeat what I said though: if all it takes to be successful in management is to run your mouth at your own players, the press, whichever fucker comes looking for a fight, Keane would have the most decorated non-playing career in history.

But it doesn’t. It’s a job that ultimately rewards compromise and tact, two qualities Keane is woefully lacking in.
 
Pumba said:
Fantastic.

I’ll repeat what I said though: if all it takes to be successful in management is to run your mouth at your own players, the press, whichever fucker comes looking for a fight, Keane would have the most decorated non-playing career in history.

But it doesn’t. It’s a job that ultimately rewards compromise and tact, two qualities Keane is woefully lacking in.
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Okay. You clearly have your opinion. All the very best to you.
 
Pumba said:
Based on what success?

It's alright bollocking players 24/7 but if all it leads to is repeated failures, what's the point?

Managing a football club is a more nuanced business than simply putting your foot down and demanding devotion and respect.
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As others have said you're more than entitled to your view.

Personally, I think he did well at Sunderland and did ok at Ipswich. I don't think he's ever failed as a manager.

And from my own experience, I'd rather have a manager that was willing to tell me straight than have somebody tell white lies in the hope of improved performance.
 
Libertine said:
My point about being fit to lace his boots is totally in footballing terms.

I don't think Keane is particularly having a go at Walters for being upset about family tragedies. As I saw it he's implying that rather than taking every opportunity you can to be on television or radio as a rent-a-gob, why not take a step back and deal with what's going on in your real life. He then brings the medals up to illustrate how mediocre footballers now have opinions on everyone and everything, when they themselves weren't world beaters.
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Please tell me Roy Keane wasn't having a go at someone else for being a rent a gob? How bloody ironic.

Walters was probably going through a very tough time and wanted to raise awareness of neonatal deaths and mental health issues. But no people like Keane are stuck in the past where we can't talk about serious issues like those. Then people wonder why football has a very high rate of addiction or other related mental health issues. Especially in retired players.
 
Alex Ferguson love him or hate him, he was one of the most successful Managers of all time, and his record shows he was up alongside the very best

Yes he upset some people, certainly some Ex Players, who were ‘shown the Door’ either because they thought it was before their time, or quite simple Sir Alex thought they were a disruptive influence

I should think the point being, that results wise even the ‘so called best’ were rarely missed

One thing’s for sure, United despite all their money and the procession of ‘Top’ Manager’s, United have never had the same success since

Says it all for me, If North End had the same level of success under a Manager no one would be asking for a replacement here I suspect
 
John T said:
One thing’s for sure, United despite all their money and the procession of ‘Top’ Manager’s, United have never had the same success since
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Maybe they should have given Moyes a couple of seasons like they did Ferguson.
Ferguson benefited from being appointed when managers were given time. If he'd have been appointed in the Utd era of Moyes he'd have been fired and wouldn't be a legend.
 
pnenycx said:
Maybe they should have given Moyes a couple of seasons like they did Ferguson.
Ferguson benefited from being appointed when managers were given time. If he'd have been appointed in the Utd era of Moyes he'd have been fired and wouldn't be a legend.
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You may be right, but Moyes has never had the same sucess as he did at Everton
Just saying it's been 'big shoes' at United for anyone since Ferguson left
 
John T said:
You may be right, but Moyes has never had the same sucess as he did at Everton
Just saying it's been 'big shoes' at United for anyone since Ferguson left
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According to Wikipedia (i know it's never wrong) his win % at Utd was 53 vs 42 at Everton and 48 at PNE. Funny giving him a 6 year contract and then firing him before his first season is complete with the team in 7th. He had a difficult time at Utd but they were no great shakes with Ferguson early on. I remember a friend dragging me to watch Man Utd at West Ham and Utd fans walking to the ground were making jokes about Fergie's signings like Milne from Bristol City for 200k.
 
I know some will say Fergies record "speaks for itself" but i think he is very overrated..
Any manager given Beckham, Scholes, Giggs, Butt, Nevilles etc could build a winning team, throw in the fact that they were the richest club in the world spending more than any other club and you certainly have the basics to winning laid out for you..

Wenger 10 times better imo
 
pne1971 said:
I know some will say Fergies record "speaks for itself" but i think he is very overrated..
Any manager given Beckham, Scholes, Giggs, Butt, Nevilles etc could build a winning team, throw in the fact that they were the richest club in the world spending more than any other club and you certainly have the basics to winning laid out for you..

Wenger 10 times better imo
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Cobblers.

Loads of managers have had plenty of money and pissed it up the wall. Man Utds troubles since he left demonstrate that nicely.

You don't have that success for that long without being top top class.
 
pne1971 said:
I know some will say Fergies record "speaks for itself" but i think he is very overrated..
Any manager given Beckham, Scholes, Giggs, Butt, Nevilles etc could build a winning team, throw in the fact that they were the richest club in the world spending more than any other club and you certainly have the basics to winning laid out for you..

Wenger 10 times better imo
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I don't doubt his ability, bringing those Utd youths into the first team was no mean feat. He just wouldn't be given the opportunity these days to build a winning team over a few seasons. Definitely one of the best managers.
 
boltons1 said:
Please tell me Roy Keane wasn't having a go at someone else for being a rent a gob? How bloody ironic.

Walters was probably going through a very tough time and wanted to raise awareness of neonatal deaths and mental health issues. But no people like Keane are stuck in the past where we can't talk about serious issues like those. Then people wonder why football has a very high rate of addiction or other related mental health issues. Especially in retired players.
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Have you actually watched the part of the Q&A where he talks about Walters?
 
pne1971 said:
I know some will say Fergies record "speaks for itself" but i think he is very overrated..
Any manager given Beckham, Scholes, Giggs, Butt, Nevilles etc could build a winning team, throw in the fact that they were the richest club in the world spending more than any other club and you certainly have the basics to winning laid out for you..

Wenger 10 times better imo
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With all due respect this is complete nonsense.

Wenger 10 times better...with 10 fewer Premier League titles (and no European trophies).
 
Keane came to pretty much all of our games last season until he was Forest assistant manager, honestly a breath of fresh air from all these other soyboy analysts/commentators/personalities in football afraid to say one word out of line and i respect him for it
 
I like Roy Keane. He's honest and says it how it is irrespective of his comments sometimes upsetting people.
He may not always be right but hey, who is?
Great pundit with a take me or leave me attitude. Can't see him ever getting a slot on motd.? Has he?
 
Doc Brown said:
Have you actually watched the part of the Q&A where he talks about Walters?
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No I saw the bit where he said Walters is on the tour round now or something like that. I didn't watch the whole thing, but I noticed him say a few things about a few players or make reference to incidents, without naming players, which do make you wonder whether he was ever approachable as a player, or understanding of people who had personal/mental health problems. Not that it matters much, but as a club and international captain with his standing in the game it would be a shame if people who look up to him can't talk to him about a problem they had.

If you could point me to the direct moment of his comments on Walters then that would be great.
 
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