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Realistic said:
Giving "everyone" a cuff round the back of the head, including possibly the owner of the house, is bully behaviour though and more seriously, it's also common assault.
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It was a different era. Clough could not do now what he did then. At school you'd get 6 of the best for misbehaving, that is no longer allowed. (Btw not saying the old ways were better).
 
pnenycx said:
It was a different era. Clough could not do now what he did then. At school you'd get 6 of the best for misbehaving, that is no longer allowed. (Btw not saying the old ways were better).
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I was on about Fergie but point taken about Clough.
 
The never ending debate about the sometimes narrow gap between confidence and arrogance.
It’s a bit of a rubbish example but bear with me I watched Madonna and Cheryl Crowe on Graham Norton - it was clear to me that Madonna was arrogant and Cheryl was confident, both exceptionally talented but guess who came out of the interview the publicly more likeable ?
Could the same comparison be made between Robson and Ferguson ??
 
Realistic said:
I was on about Fergie but point taken about Clough.
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Yeh point I was making is that the era Ferguson and Clough were managers in allowed different methods to what would be acceptable now. The culture was also apparent in schools and in parenting. My/your dad's disciplining methods were different to ours ('right no iPad for you today!').
 
I used to love Keane as a player, can't stand him as a pundit. Comes across a very bitter, miserable bloke.

Souness is a cunt too, not sure how anyone can rate him as a pundit, doesn't do any research whatsoever and just spouts utter shite.

Gary Neville is far and away the best pundit although he's started to get a bit cocky with it. Carragher is decent too if you can get past the accent.

Liam Rosenior was absolutely quality for the EFL coverage last year, shame he got a job working for Derby but he fully deserved it. His analysis was fantastic.
 
pnenycx said:
Yeh point I was making is that the era Ferguson and Clough were managers in allowed different methods to what would be acceptable now. The culture was also apparent in schools and in parenting. My/your dad's disciplining methods were different to ours ('right no iPad for you today!').
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Agreed but away from football, you still weren't allowed to cuff (smack) people round the head for attending a party.
 
boltons1 said:
No I saw the bit where he said Walters is on the tour round now or something like that. I didn't watch the whole thing, but I noticed him say a few things about a few players or make reference to incidents, without naming players, which do make you wonder whether he was ever approachable as a player, or understanding of people who had personal/mental health problems. Not that it matters much, but as a club and international captain with his standing in the game it would be a shame if people who look up to him can't talk to him about a problem they had.

If you could point me to the direct moment of his comments on Walters then that would be great.
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Sorry for the delay. Here's the video:




If you can't watch it all, the comments that were quoted from Keane begin at around 3:30. Personally, I think Keane is criticising Walters for purely professional reasons. If you watch the context/tone of the whole segment I think that becomes more obvious. Maybe those quoted comments specifically are a bit harsh. Maybe he should have just swerved the provocative question. But that's not Keane.

I don't really see anything wrong with the comments, in context of course. In an ultra-sanitised, hyper politically correct media, I find his strident honesty refreshing. It's not as if Keane has gone out of his way to berate Walters personally either. He was repeatedly asked by the hosts about his time coaching Ireland and his interaction with Walters.
 
I've watched the whole thing. I've no idea what the q&a is really about, for what reason or organised by but really enjoyed it. Keane is a special character imo.
 
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