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I think Harrop doesn't suit Neil's system - in a nutshell. He cannot play the way Neil wants him too. I don't think he is a bad player - he just doesn't fit the system - I am surprised he has an extension. Thought he would have been sold on to another club in the summer to be fair.
Harrop would fit in with one of the relegated teams full of top level players where he will be able to drift in and out of the game.

The problem is he isnt good enough to play for one of those teams.
 
Harrop would fit in with one of the relegated teams full of top level players where he will be able to drift in and out of the game.

The problem is he isnt good enough to play for one of those teams.
It is a bit chicken and egg I think - he needs to play at some level to prove if he is good enough or not. AN has never given him a proper run of games and I think he should have gone in the summer - maybe down a division to springboard upwards or across to another side in the league where could be a shadow striker rather being shoehorned into a system he doesn't suit.
 
Daryl Horgan was excellent today. Most of Wycombes attack came through him and our defenders were petrified of him. He is absolutely not the same player that left us
The pass he played for the first goal was his first goal contribution in 16 Championship appearances this season. He isn’t some sort of transformed player.
 
Lost all belief? Come on. He should be gagging for an opportunity like that, and despite his talents he didn't take advantage of it. If he's that mentally frail, maybe this isn't the career for him.
Neil yesterday admitted that the team was set up wrong to help Josh although equally, he (Harrop) didn't help himself either.

50/50 blame as I read it.
 
The player wanted guaranteed playing time from what I remember we were told

Are we talking about Horgan?

He featured very little in 17/18, according to his wiki (o.k maybe not cast iron truth after Raffs-Browne height debate 🤣) he'd only made five starts up to March 2018 which is certainly how I remembered it.

Surprised me at the time as I thought he was decent under Grayson and with his energy sort of wide player AN likes. Guess he just saw him as impact sub.

Since then he went up to SPL and did well and know doing well in championship and regular in ROI although that's not a vintage squad of course so he's done o.k since leaving.
 
Neil yesterday admitted that the team was set up wrong to help Josh although equally, he (Harrop) didn't help himself either.

50/50 blame as I read it.

All I took in that interview is you're out in January son. Might just be a loan move to league one but that probably would be a smart short term move he desperately needs.

Depends on whether DJ just rides it out until the summer I guess.
 
Are we talking about Horgan?

He featured very little in 17/18, according to his wiki (o.k maybe not cast iron truth after Raffs-Browne height debate 🤣) he'd only made five starts up to March 2018 which is certainly how I remembered it.

Surprised me at the time as I thought he was decent under Grayson and with his energy sort of wide player AN likes. Guess he just saw him as impact sub.

Since then he went up to SPL and did well and know doing well in championship and regular in ROI although that's not a vintage squad of course so he's done o.k since leaving.
I’m pretty sure he only started 2 league games (Barnsley (a), Cardiff (h) over Xmas) in the entirety of 17/18.

I think Neil didn’t think Horgan had adapted to the tactical demands of what he wanted from a wide player. As such, he never really trusted him to start.
 
I’m pretty sure he only started 2 league games (Barnsley (a), Cardiff (h) over Xmas) in the entirety of 17/18.

I think Neil didn’t think Horgan had adapted to the tactical demands of what he wanted from a wide player. As such, he never really trusted him to start.

And that's fair enough. But begs the question has he been replaced by anything better as squad option e.g. Andre Green, Bodin etc.

It was a pretty good squad in April 2017 for the final third. Midfield pretty much same as it is now bar Leds and upfront was way better McGeady, Beckford, Hugill, Robbo and likes of Barky and Horgan were good last 20 minute options off the bench to keep the tempo up.

Nowhere near that standard now for many reasons that have been done to death.
 
And that's fair enough. But begs the question has he been replaced by anything better as squad option e.g. Andre Green, Bodin etc.

It was a pretty good squad in April 2017 for the final third. Midfield pretty much same as it is now bar Leds and upfront was way better McGeady, Beckford, Hugill, Robbo and likes of Barky and Horgan were good last 20 minute options off the bench to keep the tempo up.

Nowhere near that standard now for many reasons that have been done to death.
Beckford hardly contributed at all but yes we did look quite good going forward with McGeady, Hugill, Robinson, Barkhuizen all in the team and Horgan as an option too.

That said, people often forget how poorly we ended that season. From about March onwards the results were largely terrible bar a couple of high scoring wins at home.
 
It was a pretty good squad in April 2017 for the final third. Midfield pretty much same as it is now bar Leds and upfront was way better McGeady, Beckford, Hugill, Robbo and likes of Barky and Horgan were good last 20 minute options off the bench to keep the tempo up.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh the days of watching Aiden play. It's hard to believe that we would often turn up to games at Deepdale knowing that there was a player on the pitch for us that would almost certainly get you out of your seat at least 5 times in a game. I've tried telling this to my young son. He doesn't believe me.
 
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh the days of watching Aiden play. It's hard to believe that we would often turn up to games at Deepdale knowing that there was a player on the pitch for us that would almost certainly get you out of your seat at least 5 times in a game. I've tried telling this to my young son. He doesn't believe me.

Judging by the reaction on here Rafferty would do the same but maybe not for the same reasons.......
 
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh the days of watching Aiden play. It's hard to believe that we would often turn up to games at Deepdale knowing that there was a player on the pitch for us that would almost certainly get you out of your seat at least 5 times in a game. I've tried telling this to my young son. He doesn't believe me.

Sinclair has his moments and he's arguably had better career at Celtic and playing in premier league bit I agree there was something magic about McGeady that year.

Suppose the question could be asked should Grayson have got that into the top 6? From what I remember it was a slow start, the good win over Villa in early October sparked off a good run for next few months and then tailed off right at the end so pretty much like any AN season!

Bit shocked to see the form that followed winning 5-0 v Bristol City in early April 2017 though. Guess Grayson and a few of the squad had downed tools at that point.
 
Sinclair has his moments and he's arguably had better career at Celtic and playing in premier league bit I agree there was something magic about McGeady that year.

Suppose the question could be asked should Grayson have got that into the top 6? From what I remember it was a slow start, the good win over Villa in early October sparked off a good run for next few months and then tailed off right at the end so pretty much like any AN season!

Bit shocked to see the form that followed winning 5-0 v Bristol City in early April 2017 though. Guess Grayson and a few of the squad had downed tools at that point.
We also had a depleted defence, didn't we? Clarke and Cunningham were out injured long term, no Woods, Baptiste was regularly unavailable. And Wright left in January.

We went from:

Baptiste - Clarke - Wright - Cunningham

To:

Vermijl - Huntington - Boyle - Spurr
 
Harrop is what I would call 'a flair player'

Not the sort that is wanted under Neil, If I were Harrop, I would be looking to be away, his career has stalled under Neil, same could be said for one or two more IMO
 
Sinclair is a flair player, but makes the most of his involvement in games. Harrop hasn't done that this season, so why would he get more game time?
Sinclair's defensive work the last few weeks has improved no end. Still plenty of room for improvement but much like Maguire last season you can see the desire to improve. That shirt is his and he earns the right to keep it in almost every game
 
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