Maxwell

[Liberation]

Arguably cost us a point v West Brom as well. Lost 3-2 and he should have saved their 3rd.

People need to closely watch Maxwell. One of his strengths ahead of Rudd was his ability to come off his line and claim catches off corners and free kicks. This season, Maxwell has hardly done this. He has been stuck on his line for these a lot more than previous seasons.

He's probably being " coached " to do it... Every other bloody keeper we've had has been... And that's a pop at the coaches btw that seem to use the same methods.." all keepers must stay rooted to the line so they know where they are ".... pffft

 

[Former Member]

That suggests Declan Rudd would have saved it and that is something I highly doubt.

Really? I recognise that Rudd hasn't performed well this season however he was in the team last season because he was performing well. Made some fantastic saves. It was a routine save that is bread and butter for any keeper.

 

[Minty pne]

Really don't get the Maxwell love in. Bang average keeper at this level. The way people go on you'd think he's as good as Neuer.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Derby (H) as well. Massive game - you could go as far as saying having Alan Browne on penalties and dropping Rudd for that game cost us a place in the top 6.

I wouldn't blame that on him specifically because it's a well hit free kick, yes he should save it but it didn't cost us the points there was much more in that game that cost us points.

 

[Regardless]

Really don't get the Maxwell love in. Bang average keeper at this level. The way people go on you'd think he's as good as Neuer.

I must have missed those posts. Don't think anyone rates him amongst the top few keepers in the division.

 

[Dirty Harry]

I must have missed those posts. Don't think anyone rates him amongst the top few keepers in the division.

They don't at the moment, but I'm sure a few have in the past. Anyone who strings two or three good games together becomes the best in the division on this forum. Two or three stinkers though, and they become a liability who we need to get rid of. It's happening now with our keepers. It's happened with Nmecha and one or two others.

 

[norky84]

I must have missed those posts. Don't think anyone rates him amongst the top few keepers in the division.

One quote on this thread, 'Time to get real- we are a Championship side and Maxwell is certainly one of the best in this league.'

 

[kbd_pne]

One quote on this thread, 'Time to get real- we are a Championship side and Maxwell is certainly one of the best in this league.'

IMO we have 2 no.2s and not a proper Championship no.1.

Unfortunately though our recruitment methods don’t seem geared up for signing a ready made first choice in any position, so I fear like other positions, this won’t be addressed.

We’ll probably end up with a prospect who might be good in a few years.

 

[raefil]

Ive said, consistently, that both Maxi and rudd are decent keepers at this level.

For all their recent gaffs I dont think the keepers are our problem one bit. All keepers make mistakes, the problem with a keeping error is that they generally lead to conceding.

Something has changed, defensively, and I dont just mean the loss of cunningham. Its most obvious with Darnell. He hasnt suddenly become a poor player but for some odd reason hes getting caught out of position on a regular basis. Change of tactics?

We wont sign another keeper as we already have 4 on the books, our priorities lay elsewhere, right back for me. Lack of genuine competition in a position is never a good thing.

Pity about woods injury problems as he was starting to look very decent in that position.

 

[sedgwick__7]

Pity about woods injury problems as he was starting to look very decent in that position.

He struggled quite badly when he played last season, especially the second half of the season, including having to be taken off before half-time at home to Ipswich as he'd already cost us a goal and looked a mess.

Pointless debate I suppose anyway as we all knew he'd be injured. The first competitive outing he has is a low-intensity game at home to Morecambe and he didn't even make it to half time before picking up a 2-3 month injury. It wasn't acceptable that the position was overlooked in the market, just like the target man situation.

 

[SF]

Really? I recognise that Rudd hasn't performed well this season however he was in the team last season because he was performing well. Made some fantastic saves. It was a routine save that is bread and butter for any keeper.

Yep, Maxwell wouldn't have let that one in against Bolton so its all swings and round abouts.

Rudd is a League One keeper.

An upgrade on both is needed.

 

[Tino]

IMO we have 2 no.2s and not a proper Championship no.1.

Unfortunately though our recruitment methods don’t seem geared up for signing a ready made first choice in any position, so I fear like other positions, this won’t be addressed.

We’ll probably end up with a prospect who might be good in a few years.

I agree, neither is quite up to it and they divide opinions probably 50/50. For me I prefer Rudd because you know he's not going to "do a Maxwell" but I can understand those who prefer Maxwell. It's a shame we never got the Johnstone deal over the line. We should have pushed the boat out here as his value was only going to go one way.

 

[Former Member]

Yep, Maxwell wouldn't have let that one in against Bolton so its all swings and round abouts.

Rudd is a League One keeper.

An upgrade on both is needed.

You're right, but I'm not on about the Bolton game, or this season in fact.

I said that Derby game was absolutely vital and, at that time, Rudd is saving that. To be honest, almost any keeper in the football league is saving that. Even Maxwell would allow his big ego to admit that.

I still think Rudd is a better keeper although I do think an upgrade on both is needed. Maxwell was keen to go in summer but the club stopped it.

 

[jcfartpants]

I watch that video again and again and still cannot for the life of me understand the decision making process that Maxwell went through for the sending off. The decision making of an unintelligent football player. It wasn't even a close "should I or shouldn't I go?" situation.

 

[websy25]

Personally I don't think it's a coincidence that our 6 games unbeaten have come whilst Maxwell's been in goal. He often saves dangerous situations arising before they become dangerous because he's on the front foot and clears the potential danger. I can recall over the last few matches when I've thought Rudd wouldn't have come out for that - which could have cost us more goals.

Yes, he miscontrolled a fairly hard backpass, but how many times to outfield players do that? and when they do it, more often than not only costs us possession and we all forget about it - so the odd mistake can be forgiven, and Earle was just as much to blame. As for the penalty itself, that's debatable and I'm not convinced and it certainly wasn't obvious.

The second yellow was pretty bad given Maxwell was already on a yellow - but it's human nature to try and atone for a previous error (the penalty), so he has a rush of blood and he made the mistake.
We all have bad days when things just don't go right for you and this was one of them - the other week he was man of the match, so take it easy on him.

I would rather have him in goal than Rudd, because Rudd became good at being consistantly poor.

 

[Dirty Harry]

I watch that video again and again and still cannot for the life of me understand the decision making process that Maxwell went through for the sending off. The decision making of an unintelligent football player. It wasn't even a close "should I or shouldn't I go?" situation.

But not even an educated person like Joe Strummer could come up with the answer to that one, Johnny. Maybe Maxwell, when deciding if he should stay or go, was thinking the same.....if I go there will be trouble, if I stay it will be double'. Just a thought.

 

[John T]

I agree the first booking came about with a very bad pass back Earl and Maxwell had some excuse for that. The stupid thing was, having one yellow to charge in at the attacker ‘clattering’ him over the line, indeed that could well have had some referee’ producing a straight red.
If he thought he HAD to go out there why not shepherd the forward into a relative safe area until defenders got back. Alex Neil says he wants Maxwell to play has a sweeper, well I wonder if he simply hasn’t the cool head required for that role, less face it it’s not the first time he has ‘Clattered’ someone this way

 

[Liberation]

Great with the benefit of hindesight isn't it lads? 🙂

The reality is that when you're in the thick of it then you make a snap decission and do it...... Standing there and pondering the concequences aren't really an option. Personally, I reckon doing something is far better than doing nothing, 🙂

 

[Tugg Speedman]

I agree the first booking came about with a very bad pass back Earl and Maxwell had some excuse for that. The stupid thing was, having one yellow to charge in at the attacker ‘clattering’ him over the line, indeed that could well have had some referee’ producing a straight red.
If he thought he HAD to go out there why not shepherd the forward into a relative safe area until defenders got back. Alex Neil says he wants Maxwell to play has a sweeper, well I wonder if he simply hasn’t the cool head required for that role, less face it it’s not the first time he has ‘Clattered’ someone this way

Yes but even a top keeper like Ederson at Man Cty makes mistakes quite often, playing the sweeper keeper role. Part and parcel of the role, but the pros outweigh the cons.

 

[jcfartpants]

But not even an educated person like Joe Strummer could come up with the answer to that one, Johnny. Maybe Maxwell, when deciding if he should stay or go, was thinking the same.....if I go there will be trouble, if I stay it will be double'. Just a thought.

Well I hadn't considered JOe Strummer's take on it admittedly, but still not even a close call to make