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Realistic Expectations

Realistic Expectations

I don't think anyone has an issue with the level of investment, its the incompetence when spending it.
This is what gets me about 5 at the back and bash the ball forward to chase. If we wanted to, we could build a squad which enables any formation or identity we choose. It might not be a trophy winning squad but it could definitely have an ambitious, positive identity. The chairman, manager, whoever, keeps on choosing 5 at the back and bash.
 
This is what gets me about 5 at the back and bash the ball forward to chase. If we wanted to, we could build a squad which enables any formation or identity we choose. It might not be a trophy winning squad but it could definitely have an ambitious, positive identity. The chairman, manager, whoever, keeps on choosing 5 at the back and bash.
Sorry bud ignore me but parts of that are hilarious 🤣

Edit : if we wanted too
 
Sorry bud ignore me but parts of that are hilarious 🤣

Edit : if we wanted too
It's always good to see the funny side. I mean, if we're going to make fantasy statements about Brad Potts being the best RWB in the division, why not make him the best RB in the division and play 4 at the back instead 🤣
 
I thought that Peter Ridsdale was in charge of the day to day running of the club, if that is the case surely he's tasked with making the club self sufficient. Ben Pearson and Ben Davies leaving for next to nowt was probably a sackable offence for me.
Covid pausing the season is surely a mitigating circumstance.
 
"It is better to live one day as a lion than 100 years as a sheep."
Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting we should transform into Millwall, but you have to admit Mussolini was certainly on to something when he said this.
Didn't end especially well for him mind.
 
"It is better to live one day as a lion than 100 years as a sheep."
Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting we should transform into Millwall, but you have to admit Mussolini was certainly on to something when he said this.
Didn't end especially well for him mind.
Stop it Toni ! My crush is only growing stronger the more sence you speak
 
"It is better to live one day as a lion than 100 years as a sheep."
Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting we should transform into Millwall, but you have to admit Mussolini was certainly on to something when he said this.
Didn't end especially well for him mind.

It’s probably the one day as a lion you will remember for the whole of your life ?
 
I want this club to get to the Premiership as much as anyone else - I still feel down when we lose and I still get a high when we win. But given that I have quite literally sobbed - when I just a lad - and been punched in the face - when I was a bit older - while supporting this team I have perhaps become a bit flak-happy. Next season I have always though will be the one where we find out if RL can get us where we want to be.
 
Hope it doesn’t get to the stage where no living person can remember PNE in the top flight not least because I’d like to see them there myself.
At the moment it doesn’t look close to happening and would probably require a change of ownership to achieve it.
Never say never though.
 
So many questions I'm asking myself as a fairly new PNE fan (3 seasons - I know it's not much but I think I've seen enough football both at Deepdale and elsewhere to be able to voice an opinion on my impressions of the club and what I feel about promotion prospects).
I think the key question for me is "ambition" - does the club, and I mean by that the playing squad, ownership and fanbase, genuinely want promotion up into the Premiership?
I get Ryan Lowe's frustration - he has a genuine ambition to get PNE up into the top flight of competition and I think he senses that there's a body of opinion within the club which is not necessarily buying into the vision he has.
Maybe there's some deep-seated belief in some quarters that after years and years away from the top level it's an impossibility for PNE to ever get back there - we are just not big enough as a club to do it; we don't have the financial wherewithal to go out and buy the players we would need to give us a realistic chance of getting promotion. (I've heard some long-time PNE fans talk about the club as "little Preston" which, to me, seems to confirm this view).
I think Ryan Lowe makes a valid point when he says that you don't necessarily need shedloads of money to achieve success - you just need a good eye for up and coming talent and nifty footwork to get in there ahead of the competition to secure it and he quotes examples of other Championship clubs who've managed to do just that.
So I don't think a lack of financial resources is necessarily the obstacle which some appear to think it is - although it would be really nice if some multi-billionaire south-east Asian business tycoon who's made his pile from consumer electronics is looking for a (slightly) unfashionable English football club which he can pick up at a bargain basement price and is then willing to pump as much capital into it as it takes to turn it into a top Premiership contender. (Of such things dreams are made!!)
But back to reality. I know there's much debate at the moment about whether Ryan Lowe is the manager who's capable of taking PNE into the Premiership. And I know that, for a lot of fans he's a bit "marmite".
But, for me, I can't fault the guy's ambition for the club and I'm fully behind him on that score. There's nothing I would like more than to see PNE up in the top flight of English football and competing alongside the Arsenals, the Man Citys and Liverpools of this world.
Whether Ryan Lowe will stick around long enough to achieve that goal, whether he'll receive enough backing from the club's ownership, the fanbase, and the guys who go out onto that pitch every Saturday, remains to be seen.
I think that what happens over the next 2 to 3 months will be crucial - it will decide whether he's prepared to give it another go next season or whether he decides he's had enough we end up having to look for someone else to replace him.
Personally I hope he decides to stay. I know there's a debate about his choice of tactics and strategy and about his style of man-management. But for me he's the sort of manager the club needs if it's going to have any hopes of getting out of the Championship. For me he's got the necessary fire and ambition and temperament and the will to achieve and it would be a great pity if he decides to walk away.
I could be wrong, but if we do lose him I feel we might as well forget any ambitions some of us may have about seeing PNE in the Premiership and resign ourselves to accepting that we are never going to be anything other than an average Championship side who, as others here have said, are content with mediocre performances which, in a good season, may put us within touching distance of play-off places which we somehow never quite manage to achieve and instead finish the season in our usual mid-table position somewhere.
Personally I think that would be a great pity.
 
I think he senses that there's a body of opinion within the club which is not necessarily buying into the vision he has.
Maybe there's some deep-seated belief in some quarters that after years and years away from the top level it's an impossibility for PNE to ever get back there
It's not even deep-seated - Peter Ridsdale has basically said it out loud.

I think Ryan Lowe makes a valid point when he says that you don't necessarily need shedloads of money to achieve success - you just need a good eye for up and coming talent and nifty footwork to get in there ahead of the competition to secure it and he quotes examples of other Championship clubs who've managed to do just that.
So I don't think a lack of financial resources is necessarily the obstacle which some appear to think it is
The Luton, Millwall and Coventry player examples that Lowe gave all specifically involved transfer fees far beyond what we are currently paying - so I think "lack of financial resources" is very necessarily an obstacle to us signing players like those who can make a big difference, as opposed to just do a job.

I think that what happens over the next 2 to 3 months will be crucial
I think if anything significant is happening over Lowe's future, it'll happen a lot sooner than that.

But for me he's the sort of manager the club needs if it's going to have any hopes of getting out of the Championship. For me he's got the necessary fire and ambition and temperament and the will to achieve
We need a lot more than all that woolly stuff, but it's nice to have.

I could be wrong, but if we do lose him I feel we might as well forget any ambitions some of us may have about seeing PNE in the Premiership and resign ourselves to accepting that we are never going to be anything other than an average Championship side who, as others here have said, are content with mediocre performances which,... <snip>
I'm unconvinced that Lowe is our only hope, as you suggest - after all, he has delivered "an average Championship side" and a ton of those "mediocre performances" you speak of, so I'm sure if Lowe can somehow do better than that, then so could someone else.
 
There's two types of people in this world.

Type 1: Those with drive and ambition
Type 2: Those who are content with their lot

Type 1 seem to be more successful, Type 2 seem to be more positive.

This football club is perfect for those who fall under Type 2.

Excellent post !…….Too much Apathy throughout North End.
 
So many questions I'm asking myself as a fairly new PNE fan (3 seasons - I know it's not much but I think I've seen enough football both at Deepdale and elsewhere to be able to voice an opinion on my impressions of the club and what I feel about promotion prospects).
I think the key question for me is "ambition" - does the club, and I mean by that the playing squad, ownership and fanbase, genuinely want promotion up into the Premiership?
I get Ryan Lowe's frustration - he has a genuine ambition to get PNE up into the top flight of competition and I think he senses that there's a body of opinion within the club which is not necessarily buying into the vision he has.
Maybe there's some deep-seated belief in some quarters that after years and years away from the top level it's an impossibility for PNE to ever get back there - we are just not big enough as a club to do it; we don't have the financial wherewithal to go out and buy the players we would need to give us a realistic chance of getting promotion. (I've heard some long-time PNE fans talk about the club as "little Preston" which, to me, seems to confirm this view).
I think Ryan Lowe makes a valid point when he says that you don't necessarily need shedloads of money to achieve success - you just need a good eye for up and coming talent and nifty footwork to get in there ahead of the competition to secure it and he quotes examples of other Championship clubs who've managed to do just that.
So I don't think a lack of financial resources is necessarily the obstacle which some appear to think it is - although it would be really nice if some multi-billionaire south-east Asian business tycoon who's made his pile from consumer electronics is looking for a (slightly) unfashionable English football club which he can pick up at a bargain basement price and is then willing to pump as much capital into it as it takes to turn it into a top Premiership contender. (Of such things dreams are made!!)
But back to reality. I know there's much debate at the moment about whether Ryan Lowe is the manager who's capable of taking PNE into the Premiership. And I know that, for a lot of fans he's a bit "marmite".
But, for me, I can't fault the guy's ambition for the club and I'm fully behind him on that score. There's nothing I would like more than to see PNE up in the top flight of English football and competing alongside the Arsenals, the Man Citys and Liverpools of this world.
Whether Ryan Lowe will stick around long enough to achieve that goal, whether he'll receive enough backing from the club's ownership, the fanbase, and the guys who go out onto that pitch every Saturday, remains to be seen.
I think that what happens over the next 2 to 3 months will be crucial - it will decide whether he's prepared to give it another go next season or whether he decides he's had enough we end up having to look for someone else to replace him.
Personally I hope he decides to stay. I know there's a debate about his choice of tactics and strategy and about his style of man-management. But for me he's the sort of manager the club needs if it's going to have any hopes of getting out of the Championship. For me he's got the necessary fire and ambition and temperament and the will to achieve and it would be a great pity if he decides to walk away.
I could be wrong, but if we do lose him I feel we might as well forget any ambitions some of us may have about seeing PNE in the Premiership and resign ourselves to accepting that we are never going to be anything other than an average Championship side who, as others here have said, are content with mediocre performances which, in a good season, may put us within touching distance of play-off places which we somehow never quite manage to achieve and instead finish the season in our usual mid-table position somewhere.
Personally I think that would be a great pity.

Good post, thanks for sharing your opinion.

You say we have to accept that we are never going to be anything other than an average Championship side - the way things are shaping up we could easily drop out of the Championship and start slipping down the leagues, so not even an average Championship side.

Agree with you about Lowe. But we also need many other factors set up correctly e.g. the right DOF, the right player signings, a youth setup that bridges the gap much better between youth & 1st team, proper scouting, etc. etc. The manager is just a part of that.

Having a proper, decent, achievable plan & strategy for the club (with accountability) would be a great start and would go a long way towards improving things.
 
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The Hemmings Family would like their money back if possible, who in their right mind would pay £50m+ for a business that is losing £15m a year with no real way of cutting those losses?
We have one of the smallest budgets in the division due to parachute payments and some of the smaller gates, why should we be finishing higher than the money bags clubs in the division? Isn’t being in with a chance of the playoffs with 2 games to go actually a success in real terms?
Why are there question marks over the manager given that he hasn’t had much financial backing and people on this board pretty much slag off all our players should he be getting plaudits for how well he’s done compared to the big clubs who will end the season below us?
Why should Peter Ridsdale stand down, is there any irrefutable evidence that he has done anything wrong, other than back managers opinions on players contracts, or has ever acted in a way that is wilfully against the best interests of the club.

Having watch the club all over the country for the last 53 years I would love to see us in the Top Flight, but with the exception of the period when Derek was chairman we haven’t even been close in all that time, I’d much rather see us finish the season in the top half of the division than be Blackpool or Wigan.
What is Ridsdale or the ownership attempting to do about that first issue you raise? Do you think that shows competency?

How do our onfield prospects improve if, as you make the case for, they are linked to that financial situation? (Which brings us back to my first question(s).

You mention Blackpool and Wigan. Since 2000, the latter have had 4 promotions, 2 football league trophy wins at Wembley, and a season in the top flight; Wigan have had 5 promotions, 8 years in the top flight, an Fa cup final win, another fa cup semi appearance, a league cup final appearance, and a season in Europe since 2000; We’ve had a promotion. I know who it sounds more exciting to support and it certainly isn’t us. If you’re happy and enjoying the same turgid, futile, groundhog season year on year, then great. Unfortunately it won’t be long before you’re just about the only one.
 
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