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Realistic Expectations

Realistic Expectations

Let's not forget the first Fans Forum with Alex Neil, where it was announced that it was not a case of IF we get promoted, but WHEN we get promoted to the Premier League.

Then Alex proceeded to lose his touch.
 
TheWarehouse said:
The Hemmings Family would like their money back if possible, who in their right mind would pay £50m+ for a business that is losing £15m a year with no real way of cutting those losses?
We have one of the smallest budgets in the division due to parachute payments and some of the smaller gates, why should we be finishing higher than the money bags clubs in the division? Isn’t being in with a chance of the playoffs with 2 games to go actually a success in real terms?
Why are there question marks over the manager given that he hasn’t had much financial backing and people on this board pretty much slag off all our players should he be getting plaudits for how well he’s done compared to the big clubs who will end the season below us?
Why should Peter Ridsdale stand down, is there any irrefutable evidence that he has done anything wrong, other than back managers opinions on players contracts, or has ever acted in a way that is wilfully against the best interests of the club.

Having watch the club all over the country for the last 53 years I would love to see us in the Top Flight, but with the exception of the period when Derek was chairman we haven’t even been close in all that time, I’d much rather see us finish the season in the top half of the division than be Blackpool or Wigan.
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I’d much rather be a PNE fan than a pie eater or donkey lasher all day long…

However a 12/13th place finish again is fucking boring. I have a few mates who support Wigan and to be fair having spent years up and down the leagues, a good few years in the prem and having won the FA cup I do question if I’d have taken my time seeing that and now a relegation which to be fair, means they will most likely be in a promotion challenge next year and we all know the lashers and pie eaters will most likely be back in the championship before we know it.

It’s just boring
 
IanBogie9 said:
Let's not forget the first Fans Forum with Alex Neil, where it was announced that it was not a case of IF we get promoted, but WHEN we get promoted to the Premier League.

Then Alex proceeded to lose his touch.
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AN also proceeded to lose his best players and his promised state-of-the-art Ingol training ground.

I remember the club telling us that building Ingol was essential if we were ever to be promoted to the Prem.

Then when the planning permission for the houses was secured, they cancelled Ingol and therefore AN's promised Prem promotion.
 
Thracia said:
AN also proceeded to lose his best players and his promised state-of-the-art Ingol training ground.

I remember the club telling us that building Ingol was essential if we were ever to be promoted to the Prem.

Then when the planning permission for the houses was secured, they cancelled Ingol and therefore AN's promised Prem promotion.
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And that is why no one should invest in a season ticket. They are liars and con-men.
 
the £50 million money back line, if we use a house as an example bought in late 70s for 3/5k now its worth 200k, think of hemmings so called investment like that in the late 70s / 80s he put in x amount (leeming / woodhouse days ) now worth y ammount, & dont forget everyones £5 for there shares actaully cost £ 380000k wasnt it ? im still at a loss re the family, i have sympathy for there situation ,again they have been saddled with something through no fault of their making by their dad who made a horrendous business decision compulsory purchase to satisfy his massive ego ( just my view )
 
All this 'who in the right mind would take PNE over?' stuff is a bit defeatist. Businessmen are usually gamblers who take risks. Plenty of clubs have owners who took over clubs in a poor state but had the determination to turn things around, as have plenty of other businesses. It's not a complete given that we will never find a backer. We might.
 
Thracia said:
AN also proceeded to lose his best players and his promised state-of-the-art Ingol training ground.

I remember the club telling us that building Ingol was essential if we were ever to be promoted to the Prem.

Then when the planning permission for the houses was secured, they cancelled Ingol and therefore AN's promised Prem promotion.
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Ingol was THE big betrayal for me…..it was something only the worst kind of business people would contemplate after the support they got re the initial planning refusals.
Then to just shrug and say Euxton is too good an opportunity Ingol is cancelled….it still makes me feel physically sick.
 
Terry flemings left foot said:
the £50 million money back line, if we use a house as an example bought in late 70s for 3/5k now its worth 200k, think of hemmings so called investment like that in the late 70s / 80s he put in x amount (leeming / woodhouse days ) now worth y ammount, & dont forget everyones £5 for there shares actaully cost £ 380000k wasnt it ? im still at a loss re the family, i have sympathy for there situation ,again they have been saddled with something through no fault of their making by their dad who made a horrendous business decision compulsory purchase to satisfy his massive ego ( just my view )
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You think Trev had a massive ego ?
 
IanBogie9 said:
Let's not forget the first Fans Forum with Alex Neil, where it was announced that it was not a case of IF we get promoted, but WHEN we get promoted to the Premier League.

Then Alex proceeded to lose his touch.
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I remember that and a fan standing up and saying we had to be realistic with PR telling him no we absolutely had to reach the Premiership to survive!
 
Realistic. Under Shaw and Co, we was a Selling Club, We moaned, but it did keep the club going somewhat. Under Hemmings and Ridsdale we are not a selling club, like we wanted. Just they went a Giving away and paying off Club. Out the 2, I rather be a Selling club, finding the likes of Nugent etc, than a club giving away Players like Dolan and Johnson. No grudge on players leaving to balance the books, it gave an incentive to find the next bargain buy and player worth something. Today there is no incentive because the owners are happy to fund the club. Whilst the players we have given away may not of balanced the books, they would of gone a long way to balancing the Books. Johnson, out of a Free. Ouch! even 500k Is something. Bad running of the club is realistic situation we are in.
 
OOOO3 said:
I’d much rather be a PNE fan than a pie eater or donkey lasher all day long…

However a 12/13th place finish again is fucking boring. I have a few mates who support Wigan and to be fair having spent years up and down the leagues, a good few years in the prem and having won the FA cup I do question if I’d have taken my time seeing that and now a relegation which to be fair, means they will most likely be in a promotion challenge next year and we all know the lashers and pie eaters will most likely be back in the championship before we know it.

It’s just boring
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….see you on Monday 👍🏻😃
 
Just seen this on Twitter. Not sure if it’s true but if it is, it explains a few things.
 

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TheWarehouse said:
The Hemmings Family would like their money back if possible, who in their right mind would pay £50m+ for a business that is losing £15m a year with no real way of cutting those losses?
We have one of the smallest budgets in the division due to parachute payments and some of the smaller gates, why should we be finishing higher than the money bags clubs in the division? Isn’t being in with a chance of the playoffs with 2 games to go actually a success in real terms?
Why are there question marks over the manager given that he hasn’t had much financial backing and people on this board pretty much slag off all our players should he be getting plaudits for how well he’s done compared to the big clubs who will end the season below us?
Why should Peter Ridsdale stand down, is there any irrefutable evidence that he has done anything wrong, other than back managers opinions on players contracts, or has ever acted in a way that is wilfully against the best interests of the club.

Having watch the club all over the country for the last 53 years I would love to see us in the Top Flight, but with the exception of the period when Derek was chairman we haven’t even been close in all that time, I’d much rather see us finish the season in the top half of the division than be Blackpool or Wigan.
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A balanced and realistic assessment. There is little to argue with the fact that we have had an exciting end to a season that could, with a better result at Millwall for a team that many in this forum thought were the better side on the day, have led to play-offs. All in Lowe's first full season. Give the man time to build, support him with what the club can afford (no-one wants to see the disasters that have affected many other clubs chasing the golden ticket - and even those who already have a ticket e.g Everton who spent £600m on overpaid and underwhelming players and have debts that must be c£500m in terms of the new stadium) ) and who knows....

And yes, I'll be renewing my ST on payday.

Forever UTW
 
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